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Westministenders: Theresa's Common People

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RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 13:50

She came from Oxfordshire she had a thirst for knowledge
She studied geography at Saint Hugh's College
That's where politics
Caught her eye

She told them that her husband was loaded
The press barons said "In that case have a rum and coca-cola"
She said "Fine"
And in thirty seconds time she said

I want to look like common people
I want to do whatever common people do
I want to eat like common people
I want to sleep like common people
Like you

Well what else could Fiona and Nick do
They said "We'll see what we can do"

They took her to a supermarket
I don't know why
But they had to start it somewhere
So it started there
They said pretend you've got no money
She just laughed and said
"Oh you're so funny"
They smiled "Yeah”
Well we can't see anyone else smiling in here

Are you sure you want to live like common people
You want to see whatever common people see
You want to eat like common people
You want to sleep like common people
Like me

But she didn't understand
She just smiled and held Trump’s hand

Order that benefits get the chop
Tell them all to get a job
Promise to bring back the grammar school
Pretend you don’t think them a fool
But still you'll never get it right
'Cause when you're laid in bed at night
Watching the news talking about building the wall
All have to do is call your mates to fake it all

You'll never live like common people
You'll never do whatever common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
Whilst you blame it all on the EU
Because that’s all you can do

Sing along with the common people
Sing along and it might just get Brexit through
Laugh along with the common people
Laugh about leaving the EU

It’s the most stupid thing that you will do
Because you think that it is cool
You’ll call them a ‘lying foreigner’
But don’t say we didn’t warn you
You’ll regret saying we are better off out
'Cause everybody hates a benefits tourist

It doesn’t matter if you can’t do the math
With all those pockets that you grease
You’ll win the vote in Bath

You will never understand
How it feels to live your life
With no meaning or control
And with nowhere left to go
You are amazed that they exist
And wish they were all white
So you tell ‘The Big Lie’

Get THE flat above THE shop
Cut your hair and get THE job
Trick some mugs and hire some fool
Pretend you are not really cruel
But still you'll never get it right
Instead you're plotting late at night
About which ‘cockroach’ will take the fall
All have to do is call your mates to fake it all
Yeah

You'll never live like common people
You'll never do what common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
As we plan to leave the EU
Because there's nothing else left to do

But ‘moan’ about how we don’t want to leave the EU.

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Cailleach1 · 19/05/2017 17:08

Woman, everything around Farage seems to be strange. I was taken aback with this quote from the interview.

Asked if he could have been used for the Russian goal of dividing and weakening the EU...

"Mr Farage responded: “I want the EU to be destroyed and it doesn’t matter if God or the Dalai Lama wants it as well.”

I thought it was strange because his main raison d'etre was for the UK to leave the EU. One would presume an organisation of which the UK was not a member would be none of his bees wax after that. But he seems to have an iron in the fire about the EU over and above the UK's involvement.

BestIsWest · 19/05/2017 17:11

Yes, we had a personalised letter from Treeza yesterday, very oddly addressed to all four of us by first mame from the youngest up in that order. (Youngest is 19). None of us will ne voting for her (or her party)

whatwouldrondo · 19/05/2017 17:12

In the homes that were addressing the needs of dementia patients respect for identity was seen as the key to unlocking self esteem and good quality of life. You might have problems with memory and all sorts of other cognitive and physical issues but there will be parts of the essential you that remain. I don't know how much direct experience Charmageddon has had of dementia but they do sound to be repeating stereotypes that are widely held in society without being necessarily rooted in reality.

Cailleach1 · 19/05/2017 17:14

And between all the insults, this..

"Brexit is the best thing to happen," he added, "for Russia, for America, for Germany and for democracy. And that's the key point.”

Where is the UK in the order of things Brexit is best for?

SapphireStrange · 19/05/2017 17:14

Do all you who've got missives from Theresa M live in Tory areas? I'm LONGING for a letter from the old mare so I can come up with some inventive/hilarious/offensive ways to reply Grin

Arborea · 19/05/2017 17:15

Incidentally, fwiw I think the only halfway realistic solution to the issue of care funding is to follow the Germans' example and force people to pay for it(l (as we're starting to do with pensions). However I can't see the Tories going for it, even though it's a prime example of the free market failing (as per TM's maiden speech as PM).

I think this is the best way of dealing with what many people have a particular beef with, i.e. that they are forced to "sell the house" (or more accurately pay from their assets) when Joe Bloggs next door spent all his money on beer and skittles but still gets the same care. (That argument has always seemed a bit odd to me: I think some people genuinely believe we should have a workhouse system so they can feel rewarded for having been fortunate enough and sufficiently inclined to save)

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2017 17:15

I feel unloved that Treeza doesn't deem me worthy of a personalised letter.
Jim Pickard‏*@PickardJE*
Translation: Tories have fobbed people off with various uncosted policies, hoping to get the benefit of the doubt

www.ft.com/content/02fd2e12-3c90-11e7-821a-6027b8a20f23
Labour hopes to win over pensioners hit by Tory manifesto
Mrs May has promised to cut benefits and make the elderly pay more for care

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whatwouldrondo · 19/05/2017 17:16

I mentioned our personalised letter yesterday , and just looked and yes it does list us all with the youngest first. It also does not once mention our local candidate who has had next to no national support locally

Youngest's response? UGGGHHH.... Is it 1984?

LurkingHusband · 19/05/2017 17:20

The problem - for Farage and other psychotic Leavers - is if the narrative they have sold: that the UK will become a land of milk and honey and unicorns (with triangular honey from triangular bees, and triangular nuts from triangular tress Hmm) turns out to be the crock it's headed for.

In that case, seeing the EU27 not only surviving (remember we have been told how close to collapsing they are) but thriving might - just might provoke a backlash that no amount of "Approved by HMG internet" will be able to hide.

The EU is everything NeoCon isn't. It's also proving remarkably resilient in the onslaught. I suspect being outside the Anglosphere helps.

BestIsWest · 19/05/2017 17:21

We're in a tight Tory marginal so I guess that's why we're honoured. Ours doesn't mention the MP either - it's all 'vote for meeeee, strong and stable meeeee'

woman12345 · 19/05/2017 17:21

Cailleach1 Follow the money. Who is looking at a June 9th bonus?
Some one knows, and hope it gets out before May's media shutdown starts.

Trump is shutting down public services.
Schools in Britain will be shutting down soon, due to untenable cuts.

We know what the heroes in the NHS are doing, to keep it afloat.

They have started shutting down British public services already, in earnest.

I am also not on the leather trousered chosen one's mailing list. Possibly due to the full and frank conversation I had with an allegedly safe tory's PA on living with his conscience on his vote on the Brexit. Grin

In normal times, paying for social care through taxation would be a no brainer. Things change.

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2017 17:23

Arborea I don't necessarily disagree but that only works if you stop loopholes to prevent assets being transferred or put in trust which the richest are best able to do.

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RedToothBrush · 19/05/2017 17:25

England Ltd.

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RedToothBrush · 19/05/2017 17:28

Twitter thread:
Jim Pickard‏*@PickardJE*
Is there anyone out there who seriously thinks that the Tory social care reforms are a better idea than the Dilnot plan?

twitter.com/PickardJE/status/865598125158928385

First reply?
That arch leaver and general Brexit basketcase from Julia Hartley-Brewer‏

Who doesn't like it.

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whatwouldrondo · 19/05/2017 17:40

Woman The great firewall of China means that you cannot get Facebook at all apart from in Hong Kong and other sites like the BBC come and go. If they run a negative story about China they disappear. The funny thing is that I have never known them take down the Guardian website, actually the media outlet that does the best reporting on China. I have no idea why except that maybe with the chance for the 50 centers to crowd out the below the line comments, as they do, they feel they have some control.

However what they do have is equivalents, such as Weibo which is a sort of hybrid of Facebook and Twitter and has 503m users, which are run by Chinese corporations. I am not sure where information control ends and economic controls start. Commenters get away with a fair amount of dissent on those sites, though there is no shortage of 50 centers using sophisticated techniques to ensure it does not become a common part of discourse. The only sure target for censorship is porn (the Chinese are very prudish, when I lived there they broadcast Will and Grace for three whole weeks before they noticed it had gay men on it [shock} and it got pulled promptly)

Groups like Falun Gong do stay one step ahead of the techies in government to get their stuff out to followers though.......

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2017 17:44

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-immigration-policy-curry-houses-out-business-indian-restaurants-cyrus-todiwala-a7745281.html
Conservative immigration policy could force smaller curry houses out of business, says leading restaurateur
Cyrus Todiwala says government shortsightedness istaking out money from education

The Curry Houses were in the Standard the other day. Now the Indy.

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BluePeppers · 19/05/2017 17:45

woman just going back to your link in the inetrenet 'regulation'

Somthe manifesto is basically saying thatbthe givernemnt will now have powers to control any information on the internet as well as checking whatever anyone can posts anywhere? And that there will be a strong framework to ensure that if people/companies get out of line they will be punished?
On the top of the spying law?
And the control of journalists?

Shall we move the North Korea? It starting to sound welcoming there.

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2017 17:54

What would the young do if Treeza tried to ban or limit Facebook, WhatsApp or Twitter?

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RedToothBrush · 19/05/2017 17:58

Matt Haig‏*@matthaig1*

BREAKING: Julian Assange happy to return home to his base inside a volcano. 'My piranhas have missed me,' he told Reuters.

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RedToothBrush · 19/05/2017 18:01

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-the-met-commissioner-has-made-a-good-start-a3543451.html
George Osborne's Daily Dig at Treeza

The Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, has today confirmed what this paper suspected: the Conservatives haven’t a clue how they will achieve the commitment to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands. He also said that the Government has no idea what the cost to the economy might be if its pledge were to be achieved. This is more surprising, since the civil service is entirely capable of modelling the economic impact of a change in the number of migrants coming to this country. Indeed, the Office for Budget Responsibility includes the effect of immigration policy in its biannual assessment of the British economy. As we report today, one new estimate suggests the UK economy needs 200,000 migrants a year. When immigration falls, GDP is lower, public finances are worse and productivity deteriorates. Either ministers know the damage their immigration policy will do, but won’t tell us; or they have deliberately avoided finding out, because they know the answer will be negative.

Either way, for a government that has made much of the un-costed, pie-in-the-sky commitments of its political opponents, it is on very weak ground. We hope that Ministers continue to be pushed on the details. Theresa May called this election because she said she wanted a clear mandate. Unless she spells out how she intends to reduce net migration by two-thirds, and how she will deal with the damage that would do to British business and universities, she will not be entitled to claim she has that mandate on one of the key issues facing the country.

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Figmentofmyimagination · 19/05/2017 18:01

bigchoc those statistics are sobering, although perhaps not unexpected.

'They need us more than we need them'..

Oh wait.

whatwouldrondo · 19/05/2017 18:03

Red Facebook and twitter are for oldies now, Instagram and Snapchat are the tools of procrastination and attention seeking for children of the 90s around here.....

woman12345 · 19/05/2017 18:15

Thanks whatwouldrondo anything China can do she will do more so.
But with whom? What civil service will be left to shut down the media?

You've written so eloquently on the democracy of the internet, red we will see soon what they have planned.
What would the young do if Treeza tried to ban or limit Facebook, WhatsApp or Twitter

What did German youth do when the books were burned?

What does any one do?

Watch cooking programmes and stare at pictures of slebs on the heil?

BluePeppers I watch what Trump does, and wait for it to happen here.
or worse. Sad

But, she puts deported disabled and poorly women on planes back to certain penury and worse so ............

I'll bet Assange has a few tales to tell.

However, this is not just about brexit.

Take that out of the equation and what would May be putting in her manifesto?

What she has.

On ID cards, way back in the thread, I bet her Leave South African funders/ investors/ debtors/ ransom holders have a few top tips on ID cards/ pass cards/ colour bar criteria. Sad Worked well there and in the segregated US south where the DUP also had cosy links.

I watch and learn.

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2017 18:26

Doing rounds on twitter.

My parents got stung by an endowment mortgage.

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BiglyBadgers · 19/05/2017 18:31

I personally would choose to die if diagnosed with either no matter how excellent or free the care I could expect to receive was.

I feel this way about certain illnesses as well. My mother recieved amazing care as she suffered and died of cancer. I can't fault the care she received in hospital, at home and particularly as she died. The palliative care staff and and services were amazing. However if I am diagnosed with the same cancer (which is possible as though I have not had the test it is a cancer that can have a genetic element) I would start saving for a trip to dignitas.