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Westministenders: Theresa's Common People

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RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 13:50

She came from Oxfordshire she had a thirst for knowledge
She studied geography at Saint Hugh's College
That's where politics
Caught her eye

She told them that her husband was loaded
The press barons said "In that case have a rum and coca-cola"
She said "Fine"
And in thirty seconds time she said

I want to look like common people
I want to do whatever common people do
I want to eat like common people
I want to sleep like common people
Like you

Well what else could Fiona and Nick do
They said "We'll see what we can do"

They took her to a supermarket
I don't know why
But they had to start it somewhere
So it started there
They said pretend you've got no money
She just laughed and said
"Oh you're so funny"
They smiled "Yeah”
Well we can't see anyone else smiling in here

Are you sure you want to live like common people
You want to see whatever common people see
You want to eat like common people
You want to sleep like common people
Like me

But she didn't understand
She just smiled and held Trump’s hand

Order that benefits get the chop
Tell them all to get a job
Promise to bring back the grammar school
Pretend you don’t think them a fool
But still you'll never get it right
'Cause when you're laid in bed at night
Watching the news talking about building the wall
All have to do is call your mates to fake it all

You'll never live like common people
You'll never do whatever common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
Whilst you blame it all on the EU
Because that’s all you can do

Sing along with the common people
Sing along and it might just get Brexit through
Laugh along with the common people
Laugh about leaving the EU

It’s the most stupid thing that you will do
Because you think that it is cool
You’ll call them a ‘lying foreigner’
But don’t say we didn’t warn you
You’ll regret saying we are better off out
'Cause everybody hates a benefits tourist

It doesn’t matter if you can’t do the math
With all those pockets that you grease
You’ll win the vote in Bath

You will never understand
How it feels to live your life
With no meaning or control
And with nowhere left to go
You are amazed that they exist
And wish they were all white
So you tell ‘The Big Lie’

Get THE flat above THE shop
Cut your hair and get THE job
Trick some mugs and hire some fool
Pretend you are not really cruel
But still you'll never get it right
Instead you're plotting late at night
About which ‘cockroach’ will take the fall
All have to do is call your mates to fake it all
Yeah

You'll never live like common people
You'll never do what common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
As we plan to leave the EU
Because there's nothing else left to do

But ‘moan’ about how we don’t want to leave the EU.

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Peregrina · 29/05/2017 10:10

Last night a Tory source told the Daily Mail: ‘We fully expect to fall behind Labour in a poll in the coming days. It will happen.’

I think they are trying to avoid their voters becoming complacent - at the moment, it looks as though May has a comfortable majority, so if they don't like her, they may well stay at home.

howabout · 29/05/2017 10:10

I think Gove and IDS will be back in the post match reshuffle. I had them pegged as Gove for Chancellor or DWP and IDS for Justice with Liz Truss out. Damian Green would be plausible for N Ireland (or Justice), but I actually think they will leave it with Brokenshire to avoid giving the issue any more profile - DD / TM / BJ will effectively be taking the decisions because of Brexit issues there anyway. I think PH would leave cabinet rather than accept a "demotion". I am however still sceptical about the rumours concerning PH because he is my favourite.

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 10:10

Peregrina depends on the seat. LD campaigning localised. I think Richmond, Vauxhall and Twickenham very heavy on the anti-Farage front.

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howabout · 29/05/2017 10:14

Vince was on Peston yesterday sounding much more "Remain" than usual and altogether more on LD message - I assume this speaks to Richmond and Twickenham. He is adopting a core vote strategy too.

I think they have already given up on Vauxhall?

howabout · 29/05/2017 10:20

I haven't sent in my postal vote yet as still deciding. However all the Blue Team family members I know with postal votes have already sent them - I think this is fairly typical (interestingly the opposite from the US where Republicans tend to see postal voting as "cheating" and Democrats tend to postal vote for their team regardless of the campaign).

Charmageddon · 29/05/2017 10:28

Perhaps Charmeggon. Isn't it also the flip of the Tory attack on Corbyn too though?

I hate the negative attacks that are part of all politics tbf.

I do think that's a big part of why Corbyn's proving to be popular - like you said before, he's offering hope, the rest are preying on fear.

His hope message though is based on lies just as much as the fear rhetoric is - there's a middle ground in all this but no one is grabbing & running with it.

That's what makes me feel so hopeless - which I'm sure many do - which then makes the hope message more appealing - but then it's a messy, unfounded hope that Corbyn's offering (one that will leave us as a country decimated financially).

There's no really good option amongst the whole sorry thing.

ClashCityRocker · 29/05/2017 10:30

I've sent my postal vote in already and dh has - both lib dems.

Safe tory seat here, though there is a minuscule chance of lib dems getting in as it was traditionally a lib dem/con marginal.

We're a donut constituency, and the slightly odd thing is that the centre of the donut is quite strong labour.

I find it odd as it covers such a small area. The labour mps have traditionally been quite good and very active though so perhaps that's why.

I'm seeing a lot of labour posters and a few lib dems.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 29/05/2017 10:39

Late to the party but placemarking

missmoon · 29/05/2017 10:43

His hope message though is based on lies just as much as the fear rhetoric is

What are his lies? I don't like Jeremy Corbyn, but I don't see any lies (although perhaps some wildly positive assumptions on how much money their tax policies will bring in). Where are the lies?

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 10:45

His hope message though is based on lies just as much as the fear rhetoric is - there's a middle ground in all this but no one is grabbing & running with it.

I really don't disagree with that. Cleggy has come out and said that Labour couldn't deliver free tuition fees even if they promise it, which I thought was quite something considering how much he'd potentially be risking in saying that. Labour have over promised, which is kind of easy when you don't have a chance of winning. That said if what Labour supporters I know are anything to go by there is something of a realism over this. They know it's undeliverable.

I'm not impressed by the overall Campaign strategy of any party. The LDs overcooked remain and then haven't had enough confidence in on policy and this has been made worse by being squeezed out of the debate and largely sidelined.

And as for the Conservatives I think I've covered that one.

No one has covered themselves in glory.

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ElenaGreco123 · 29/05/2017 10:53

DH has not had his postal vote yet. We have moved and re-registered, so May take more time.

Charmageddon · 29/05/2017 11:04

What are his lies? I don't like Jeremy Corbyn, but I don't see any lies (although perhaps some wildly positive assumptions on how much money their tax policies will bring in). Where are the lies?

All the promises - he cannot deliver on them.
The IFS ripped his costings apart.

  • based on pretence
  • costings would not work
  • no way their tax plans would affect only a small group at the top as they claim
  • contrary to their promises, the incomes of ordinary households would reduce
  • costings contain factual mistakes
  • costings make overly optimistic assumptions which would lead to a minimum £9 billion shortfall

He has promised the moon on a stick but he knows he cannot deliver it - he's lied, knowingly.

He's lied repeatedly about his past interactions wrt various terrorist organisations too.

(I know the Tories are just as bad, but this is specifically about Jeremy Corbyn).

howabout · 29/05/2017 11:04

Cleggy has come out and said that Labour couldn't deliver free tuition fees even if they promise it, which I thought was quite something considering how much he'd potentially be risking in saying that.

Clegg is not risking anything in saying that. He is still trying to justify his previous position to appear like a "reasonable" Remain Conservative, which is what he is imo. Admittedly that has no appeal to a wavering Labour voter, but then nothing he could say would.

woman12345 · 29/05/2017 11:10

@VictoriaLIVE
A voter asks the Tories: "Are you purposely losing this election so you can hand over Brexit negotiations to Labour?"#VictoriaLIVE
10:33 AM - 29 May 2017

Grin
howabout · 29/05/2017 11:14

Charmageddon the IFS were no less scathing re the financial illiteracy of the Conservative Manifesto and even the Conservatives have already disavowed half of it. The error the electorate made last time was in assuming DC/GO were lying about the £12 bn welfare cuts. Experience has taught otherwise.

JC could actually have built in assumptions about cutting the welfare bill by building enough houses and controlling rent to cut HB and increasing wages to cut WTC / UC. I don't think he has. Also the cost of free Uni tuition is much lower than estimate because current recovery projections from Government are generally accepted to be wildly optimistic.

To an extent all the Labour numbers are wrong and overly cautious because they don't have the same access to the OBR modelling the Tories do. The IFS have run with their policy without factoring in growth assumptions, as that is outwith their scope as I understand it.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 29/05/2017 11:21

At least its a shift in the right direction towards Keynesian economics in Labours manifesto

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 11:22

I disagree howabout. It still is a chain around the necks of the LDs that taints their credibility. Whilst it does pitch to those remain cons, it also really does work against him more. It reinforces the message and reminds people of the 'broken promise'. It doesn't move them forward at all.

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Charmageddon · 29/05/2017 11:25

Charmageddon the IFS were no less scathing re the financial illiteracy of the Conservative Manifesto and even the Conservatives have already disavowed half of it.

I did caveat at the end, saying I know the Tories are just as bad - it was specifically a response to missmoon asking me why I said JC was a liar.

woman12345 · 29/05/2017 11:27

At least its a shift in the right direction towards Keynesian economics in Labours manifesto

(thank goodness)

Like that well known terrorist sympathiser and communist Franklyn Delaware Roosevelt. Grin

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 11:30

costings make overly optimistic assumptions which would lead to a minimum £9 billion shortfall

May refused to answer where the additional £8billion for the NHS would come from three times when interviewed by Andrew Neil. She just prattled on about having a strong economy.

There is also the cock up over the School Breakfast budget.
I believe that comes to £340million shortfall.

That's nearly £9billion to consider without me trying to look at the Maynifesto further.

It strikes me as six of one, half a dozen of the other. At best.

Plus at least Labour have done some costings. The Cons are avoiding a lot of questions on the subject merely through having not gone through this process. We also still have not been given impact assessments of the cost of Brexit for any sector and I do think this is part of the reason we have not had costing from their Manifesto.

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BiglyBadgers · 29/05/2017 11:36

I had an excellent LD leaflet through my door the other day. Focused heavily on issue that are big locally. Mainly it talked about school cuts (we have excellent schools, and many people move here from London specifically for the the schools when they have kids), NHS cuts (big local employer) and Brexit. It linked up the issues with local impacts very well.

It is a shame that I just don't see the LDs campaigning as well nationally as they appear to be locally. I find Farron generally uninspiring to be honest and they have failed to sell themselves as a credible alternative to the 2 main parties (which is pretty poor considering neither labour or conservatives are seeming all that credible themselves).

howabout · 29/05/2017 11:39

Red I don't disagree, but I think Clegg is best to keep on digging at this point as he is beyond redemption. In his seat the main threat is the Kippers voting Con to oust him or Tory Lite LDs defecting. He is just looking out for himself as per.

LurkingHusband · 29/05/2017 11:39

Franklyn Delaware Roosevelt.

ITYM Franklin Delano Roosevelt Grin - the reason the Whitehouse is accessible today ...

Peregrina · 29/05/2017 11:43

May refused to answer where the additional £8billion for the NHS would come from three times when interviewed by Andrew Neil.

Not only that, she also talked about £10 billion capital expenditure, which was different, if I heard correctly, and didn't explain where that came from either.

LurkingHusband · 29/05/2017 11:44

It used to be that a government breaking a manifesto pledge was - by convention - expected to submit to a vote of no confidence, and that - again by convention - there was no obligation on the HoL to pass such legislation.

What is the score in the New World Order, where 2 manifesto pledges have been abandoned before the election ?

It seems to me the Tories are trying to engineer a government that doesn't need to be accountable, as they can just choose which version of "the past" they refer to when moving forwards.

I really can't stop picturing heads on spikes ...