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Westministenders: Theresa's Common People

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RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 13:50

She came from Oxfordshire she had a thirst for knowledge
She studied geography at Saint Hugh's College
That's where politics
Caught her eye

She told them that her husband was loaded
The press barons said "In that case have a rum and coca-cola"
She said "Fine"
And in thirty seconds time she said

I want to look like common people
I want to do whatever common people do
I want to eat like common people
I want to sleep like common people
Like you

Well what else could Fiona and Nick do
They said "We'll see what we can do"

They took her to a supermarket
I don't know why
But they had to start it somewhere
So it started there
They said pretend you've got no money
She just laughed and said
"Oh you're so funny"
They smiled "Yeah”
Well we can't see anyone else smiling in here

Are you sure you want to live like common people
You want to see whatever common people see
You want to eat like common people
You want to sleep like common people
Like me

But she didn't understand
She just smiled and held Trump’s hand

Order that benefits get the chop
Tell them all to get a job
Promise to bring back the grammar school
Pretend you don’t think them a fool
But still you'll never get it right
'Cause when you're laid in bed at night
Watching the news talking about building the wall
All have to do is call your mates to fake it all

You'll never live like common people
You'll never do whatever common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
Whilst you blame it all on the EU
Because that’s all you can do

Sing along with the common people
Sing along and it might just get Brexit through
Laugh along with the common people
Laugh about leaving the EU

It’s the most stupid thing that you will do
Because you think that it is cool
You’ll call them a ‘lying foreigner’
But don’t say we didn’t warn you
You’ll regret saying we are better off out
'Cause everybody hates a benefits tourist

It doesn’t matter if you can’t do the math
With all those pockets that you grease
You’ll win the vote in Bath

You will never understand
How it feels to live your life
With no meaning or control
And with nowhere left to go
You are amazed that they exist
And wish they were all white
So you tell ‘The Big Lie’

Get THE flat above THE shop
Cut your hair and get THE job
Trick some mugs and hire some fool
Pretend you are not really cruel
But still you'll never get it right
Instead you're plotting late at night
About which ‘cockroach’ will take the fall
All have to do is call your mates to fake it all
Yeah

You'll never live like common people
You'll never do what common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
As we plan to leave the EU
Because there's nothing else left to do

But ‘moan’ about how we don’t want to leave the EU.

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Badders123 · 22/05/2017 15:40

1992 and 2015 GE were very similar beasts imo

NotDavidTennant · 22/05/2017 15:59

Call me cynical, but I am not so sure this U-turn is not in fact an extremely carefully choreographed manoeuvre to outflank the Tory Right.

If this were choreographed then they would have had all the detail of the cap worked out ahead of time. This morning May couldn't even say what the level of the cap will be, which suggests that this is a hastily put together u-turn rather than a cleverly staged plan.

(Plus they they wouldn't have let Hunt and others make fools of themselves by publicly stating that there would no cap if the plan was always to introduce a cap. Plus they wouldn't have made this announcement on the day May was due to interviewed by Andrew Neil on prime time TV.)

LurkingHusband · 22/05/2017 16:00

The danger of sloganeering ...

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BigChocFrenzy · 22/05/2017 16:03

No, this DementiaTax / UTurn was NOT a cunning plan - unless it was Baldrick's ! Grin

The Dementia Tax was reported by Tory sources to have been stuck in at the last minute by one of May's acolytes, without consulting anyone outside May's close circle

Some Tory cabinet ministers in interviews were very clearly covering their own arses and backing away from the toxic fallout. This involved fudging what it all meant and avoiding enthusiasm for the full Monty

It takes Baldrick-like incompetence to mess up a landslide against a dreadful Labour leader like Corbyn, but May is doing her very best.

The Tory tabloids may go fully nuclear against Corbyn, Abbot & McDonnel wrt IRA, Hamas etc
However, those whose vote would have affected by that probably decided to vote against him long before the GE was called.

LurkingHusband · 22/05/2017 16:09

Since we're in cynic-land, this "U turn" has also made the Tory manifesto effectively redundant. Which means good luck trying to work out whether a future Tory government is breaking a pledge or not.

Not that parliament seems to care much these days anyway.

howabout · 22/05/2017 16:19

Bigchoc have you forgotten the masterpiece in public backstabbing which brought about the extremely smooth transition of power from Cameron to May. Andrea and Boris are already in post having played their part and I see Gove being rehabilitated back into the fold daily.

I stand by my earlier view that the GE is all about fully jettisoning the DC/GO legacy and the confines of Libertarianism. The furore over NI on wealthy self-employed was probably the final straw. Not sure I believe all the mutterings about a rift with PH either but I could be wrong on that.

The contrast with the inept machinations of the PLP even when they agree on policy could hardly be more stark.

NotDavid if all the details were already worked out then TM would not be able to counter criticism that she doesn't listen. Her central argument is that she is against closed door deals and in favour of returning to using the established Parliamentary procedure of consultation through Green and White Papers. I imagine there are plenty of lobbyists etc who are rather miffed at this.

Motheroffourdragons · 22/05/2017 16:20

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LurkingHusband · 22/05/2017 16:24

I stand by my earlier view that the GE is all about fully jettisoning the DC/GO legacy and the confines of Libertarianism.

Hardly a secret ... it was discussed on R4 Saturday morning.

(It would be nice to report I was driving a Big Yellow Taxi, but I wasn't ...)

LurkingHusband · 22/05/2017 16:25

the established Parliamentary procedure of consultation through Green and White Papers

a 3-skinner ?

howabout · 22/05/2017 16:39

LH I have been saying it since the election was called Grin

If either the Labour or Conservative proposals on social care, which are now very similar, are adopted then Scotland will be a far far more expensive place to be in need of residential care. Angus Robertson was extremely uncomfortable when challenged on this by Gordon Brewer on Sunday. I await the SNP Manifesto with interest.

RD may well have been keeping her powder dry. I agree Kezia did a very good job. Worth remembering that RD and KD are not in competition with each other in the vast majority of Scottish seats. NS may well start to struggle to deal with 2 fronts given that Labour are now well to the Left of her "progressive" agenda.

NotDavidTennant · 22/05/2017 16:41

Her central argument is that she is against closed door deals and in favour of returning to using the established Parliamentary procedure

Give over. This is the PM who fought two court cases to try to prevent Parliament from having a say on Article 50.

PattyPenguin · 22/05/2017 16:44

This is the PM who fought two court cases to try to prevent Parliament from having a say on Article 50

Not to mention wanting to use Henry VIII powers to bypass Parliament.

Motheroffourdragons · 22/05/2017 16:48

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RedToothBrush · 22/05/2017 16:49

Gerry Adams has stuck up for Corbyn...

twitter.com/Channel4News/status/866680971193659392

He says Corbyn led where others followed and what he did was fundamental. He was on the 'right side' of history. He recognised the rights of people who voted Sinn Fein.

As an intervention, it will divide opinion but I do think perhaps its to Corbyn's favour rather more than its against.

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LurkingHusband · 22/05/2017 17:01

The problem with the IRA thing, is that time has dimmed some older peoples memories, whilst other youngsters won't understand the context ...

The bottom line is that - for all the tough talk - there was no way on Gods Green Earth the UK could win a "war" with the IRA. (It has to be said the IRA had reached the same conclusion, hence the "Provisional" IRA).

So both sides were condemned to an endless cycle of violence, or Churchills exhortation to "jaw jaw". To my mind, it's one of those rare situations which really is that simple.

Now I have no idea about Corbyn. But I did meet Ken Livingstone in 1983 (he kindly accepted our 6th form invitation to address our young socialist society), and he stated what I have outlined. We had a choice to talk - or fight. But fight in the certain knowledge it would never end.

He was vilified in the press at the time for it. But that was because they chose to interpret "talk" as "support". When he had a chance to actually explain it from start to finish, it seemed quite reasonable.

If we do find ourselves back in that situation again, I see no reason why the same truths would not apply: the UK could not win an armed struggle. We didn't 1969-1998, and we won't now.

For a (brief) while, I hoped the GFA and way that the UK/RoI/Sinn Fein had managed to work together would be a beacon to the other conflicts in the world. Then I remembered the UK is one of the planets biggest arms dealers, and so is more likely to sabotage peace talks than support them.

RedToothBrush · 22/05/2017 17:06

Two can play that game...

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BiglyBadgers · 22/05/2017 17:21

I do think everyone is now we'll aware of the IRA stories around Corbyn. These are raised extensively during the labour leadership elections Those who feel his involvement is indefensible on any score will already have decided to vote against him.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/05/2017 17:21

Cameron was voted in as leader with gritted teeth, because the Tory Party was focused on getting elected and having the power to make tax cuts for the wealthy (themselves)

imo, the reason May came out on top in the leadership election is that no one else 100% wanted the poison chalice of Brexit and to end up with a worse rep than Cameron.

The Tory Party will dispose of May with their usual ruthless efficiency, once she has taken the fall for Brexit.

The real leadership contest will come after they knife her, sometime 2020-2021
That's when we'll see the direction the Tory Party is going.

Labour don't have the killer instinct when it comes to getting rid of liabilities
However, if Corbyn can keep around the current % of votes, he can stay on until the leadership rules are changed as the hard left wish.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/05/2017 17:22

May is continuing Osbourne's cuts / financial restraints and will probably deepen them, because Brexit brings both the mandate and the financial constraints that make them necessary - if she wishes to keep tax cuts for the rich.

The argument with Hammond looks real, because the NI U-turn humiliated him and she wasn't supportive at all, which upset many MPs, e.g.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/16/theresa-may-philip-hammond-national-insurance-humiliation

Tory sources consistently say relations remain frosty and his job is in some danger in a post-GE reshuffle. However, he remains the most competent choice as chancellor,

MsHooliesCardigan · 22/05/2017 17:24

It's always baffled me that TM gets away with banging on about Strong and Stable when all the evidence points to her caving in at the drop of a hat. In that sense, she's the opposite of Thatcher who often failed to listen to advice about how unpopular something was which eventually precipitated her downfall with her dogged refusal to budge on The Poll Tax.
So what actually happens if we crash out of Brexit in a practical day to day sense? I wish understood it more.

whatwouldrondo · 22/05/2017 17:25

Yup, there are various Facebook groups suggesting if you have a spare few moments you might like to empty Conservative coffers......

It really has come home to me today that the degree of incompetence and self interest now ruling this country is truly terrifying. I will keep on fighting and delivering leaflets and knocking on doors but feeling more depressed about it now than I was last June, especially on behalf of someone game, and with the skills, to take it on. He apparently did not hesitate because he realises just how dangerous the risks to our country are. How can anyone follow this ridiculous rabble?

squishysquirmy · 22/05/2017 17:26

"The Tory Party will dispose of May with their usual ruthless efficiency, once she has taken the fall for Brexit."

That's my take on it too, Bigchoc.

prettybird · 22/05/2017 17:28

Motheroffourdragons - just to sort of reassure you: David Coburn is the sole UKIP elected representative in Scotland in any form, as far as I know. No councillors, no MPs - and he is only an MEP due the d'Hondt system (last one selected Sad). As such, he gets far too much air time in Scotland - although at least not as much as Farage or Nuttall I suppose we should be thankful for small mercies Wink

BigChocFrenzy · 22/05/2017 17:28

The hard right of the Tory party keep claiming Britain could have militarily defeated the IRA.

However, going hard - internment, Bloody Sunday, confessions beaten out and wrongful convictions - just made the IRA heroes to many NI Catholics and Sinn Fein their main party.

Particularly once the IRA learned that blasting a few City of London buildings brings England to heel.