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Westministenders: Theresa's Common People

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RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 13:50

She came from Oxfordshire she had a thirst for knowledge
She studied geography at Saint Hugh's College
That's where politics
Caught her eye

She told them that her husband was loaded
The press barons said "In that case have a rum and coca-cola"
She said "Fine"
And in thirty seconds time she said

I want to look like common people
I want to do whatever common people do
I want to eat like common people
I want to sleep like common people
Like you

Well what else could Fiona and Nick do
They said "We'll see what we can do"

They took her to a supermarket
I don't know why
But they had to start it somewhere
So it started there
They said pretend you've got no money
She just laughed and said
"Oh you're so funny"
They smiled "Yeah”
Well we can't see anyone else smiling in here

Are you sure you want to live like common people
You want to see whatever common people see
You want to eat like common people
You want to sleep like common people
Like me

But she didn't understand
She just smiled and held Trump’s hand

Order that benefits get the chop
Tell them all to get a job
Promise to bring back the grammar school
Pretend you don’t think them a fool
But still you'll never get it right
'Cause when you're laid in bed at night
Watching the news talking about building the wall
All have to do is call your mates to fake it all

You'll never live like common people
You'll never do whatever common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
Whilst you blame it all on the EU
Because that’s all you can do

Sing along with the common people
Sing along and it might just get Brexit through
Laugh along with the common people
Laugh about leaving the EU

It’s the most stupid thing that you will do
Because you think that it is cool
You’ll call them a ‘lying foreigner’
But don’t say we didn’t warn you
You’ll regret saying we are better off out
'Cause everybody hates a benefits tourist

It doesn’t matter if you can’t do the math
With all those pockets that you grease
You’ll win the vote in Bath

You will never understand
How it feels to live your life
With no meaning or control
And with nowhere left to go
You are amazed that they exist
And wish they were all white
So you tell ‘The Big Lie’

Get THE flat above THE shop
Cut your hair and get THE job
Trick some mugs and hire some fool
Pretend you are not really cruel
But still you'll never get it right
Instead you're plotting late at night
About which ‘cockroach’ will take the fall
All have to do is call your mates to fake it all
Yeah

You'll never live like common people
You'll never do what common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
As we plan to leave the EU
Because there's nothing else left to do

But ‘moan’ about how we don’t want to leave the EU.

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BigChocFrenzy · 22/05/2017 12:49

Lh I expect firms will give generous location packages to those at the very top and say the next tiers are welcome, if they organise their own relocation.

Many workers won't want to relocate, for family / school reasons.
Or are worried about language - unless of course the move is to Dublin.

I don't know about France, Spain, Italy.

In Germany & Scandinavia at least, there is a wide pool of skilled staff who have fluent English,
I have never met any scientist, engineer, IT specialist in either region who doesn't speak reasonable English.
It's a prerequisite for a career, because most manuals, many scientific papers (even from German authors) are in English.
Engineers and legal staff may also have to deal with international regulations written in English
The finance, legal, HR and admin staff in the larger firms I know, speak fluent English.
Even the foremen on the production lines I've occasionally spoken to are proud to show off their English

In Germany too, it's easy for a tech firm or a uni to get a visa for a scientist / enigineer / other skilled specialist from non-EU countries like India, S Korea, Vietnam, China ....

Our HR chief says the very worst they expect is that after Brexit it will be as difficult to get Visa for British skilled staff (and their immediate families) as for non-EU, i.e. very easy, 10 minutes form-filling by each party.

The big difference will be from the point of view of the British worker themself:
They will probably need a definite job offer from a German firm
If they later want to move firms they will need an offer first

However, after 5 years continual residence in Germany, self-supporting, there is a right to unlimited residence - but must show basic language capability in German.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/05/2017 12:56

I don't understand why that Kipper regards paying for their own care as "giving their house to the state"

If someone decides the nhs treatment for cancer is inadequate / nonexistent and choose to sell a house to pay for say proton treatment or very expensive drugs, that is NOT giving their house to the state.
It's "taking back control" of their own care

RedToothBrush · 22/05/2017 13:03

Jessica Elgot‏*@jessicaelgot*
Oh dear. Seems Hunt told #r4todag last week manifesto was dropping cap - "not only are we dropping it but we’re being completely explicit."
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-manifesto-launch-jeremy-hunt-admits-2015-pledge-social-care-dropped_uk_591d499fe4b03b485cae9768
Jeremy Hunt Admits Tory Manifesto Dropped ‘Unfair’ 2015 Pledge On Social Care
Hunt also denied that the new policy was effectively a ‘death tax’.
From the 18th.

Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme this morning, Hunt said: “Not only are we dropping it (the pledge) but we are dropping it ahead of a General Election and we are being completely explicit in our manifesto that we’re dropping it.

“And we’re dropping it because we have looked again at this proposal and we don’t think it’s fair.

“The reason we don’t think it’s fair is because you could have a situation where someone who owns a house worth £1 million, £2 million, has expensive care costs of perhaps £100,000 or £200,000, ends up under that proposal not having to pay those care costs because they are capped and those costs get borne by taxpayers.”

Jeremy was indeed spreading 'Fake News' wasn't he Theresa? Jeremy Hunt not Corbyn. You could have just given him the memo on 'clarity' on Thursday instead of letting him embarrass himself.

Nigel Farage‏*@Nigel*_Farage

U-turn on the budget and now a U-turn on the manifesto. This lady is for turning.

TSE‏*@TSEofPB* (10 mins ago)
Will spoil my ballot paper by writing 'Bring back Dave & George'
Voted Con at every GE since I've had the vote, been a member for 20 years

I wonder how many more who will be as outraged by the U-turn as they were by the dementia tax?!

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RedToothBrush · 22/05/2017 13:11

Tim Montgomerie @montie

What a shambles. May's circle needs to get wider and be more trusting or we're all going to get dizzy from U-turning
May's defence of her U-turn was also unwise. Gave Corbyn the credit, building him up. Better to have credited listening to doorstep feedback

Compare wiith:

James Ball‏*@jamesrbuk*
Prediction: expect writeups of Nick Timothy to suddenly get a lot less favourable.

David Allen Green‏*@davidallengreen*
The problem with Theresa May's 'command and control' model of policy and communications is when things cannot be commanded or controlled...

Lets play a game of 'pin the cock up on the donkey'.

Fiona does not like this game.

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BigChocFrenzy · 22/05/2017 13:16

Barnier & Juncker are presumably noting that May crumbles under pressure.

So, they'll expect her to panic at the last moment and U-turn on Brexit terms
Regardless of DD macho willy-wagging

BUT remember
she's much more afraid of her swivel-eyed wing and Dacre / Murdoch
than of anything that may happen to the economy.

ElenaGreco123 · 22/05/2017 13:19

Brexit virus' caused by EU sausages causes 60,000 Britons to fall ill annually
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/22/brexit-virus-caused-eu-sausages-causes-60000-britons-fall-annually/

[sigh] What is happening to the Telegraph?!

BigChocFrenzy · 22/05/2017 13:33

The problem with a "presidential" style of campaigning is that when something goes pear-shaped, the blame is hers alone

There is no sacrificial lamb who can be blamed and convincingly dumped soon after the GE

So even after she wins a GE, she is damaged goods.
Very definitely just an interim PM now

She'll take the can for the Brexit downturn
Then a new Tory leader in 2020-2021 will erase her & her acolytes as ruthlessly as she erased Cameron & the Cameroons

RedToothBrush · 22/05/2017 13:47

I'm sorry but you are going to have to indulge me here but this feels so ridiculous I'm going to have to throw the Lib Dems 'Faragefurter' out there with this because it just seems ludicrously spot on.

Another Song For Treeza.

It's astounding
Time is fleeting
Madness takes it's toll...

Ahh...

But listen closely...

Not for very much longer...

I've got to take back control.
I remember doing the Time Warp.
Drinking those moments when
The blackness would hit me.

And the void would be calling.

Let's do the Time Warp again.
Let's do the Time Warp again.

It's just a step to the left.
And then a jump to the right.
Put your hand on your hips.
You bring your team in tight.
But it's the U-Turn.
That really drives you insane.
Let's do the Time Warp again.
Let's do the Time Warp again.

Brexit’s so dreamy
Oh, fantasy free me
So you can't see me
No not at all.

In another dimension
With voyeuristic intention.
Well secluded I see all...

With a bit of a mind flip...
You're into a time slip...
And nothing can ever be the same.
You're spaced out on sensation.
Like you're under sedation.

Let's do the Time Warp again.
Let's do the Time Warp again.

Well, I was walking down the street
Just having a think
When a snake of a guy
^Gave me an evil wink.
Well he shook me up
he took me by surprise
He had a poster truck
And the devil's eyes
He stared at me
And I felt a change
Voting meant nothing
Never would again.

Let's do the Time Warp again.
Let's do the Time Warp again.

It's just a step to the left.
And then a jump to the right.
Put your hands on your hips.
You bring your team in tight.
But it's the U-Turn
That really drives you insane
Let's do the Time Warp again.
Let's do the Time Warp again.
Let's do the Time Warp again

Ah! Oh! Oh! Yeoooww...
Ahhhh.

Let's do the Time Warp again.
Let's do the Time Warp again.

It's just a step to the left.
And then a jump to the right.
Put your hands on your hips.
You bring your team in tight.
But it's the U-Turn
That really drives you insane.
Let's do the Time Warp again.
Let's do the Time Warp again.

I apologise. Its just... yeah. That's where we are, isn't it?

Westministenders: Theresa's Common People
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BiglyBadgers · 22/05/2017 13:52

Brexit virus' caused by EU sausages causes 60,000 Britons to fall ill annually

I have noticed the telegraph being increasingly bonkers over the past couple of weeks. I am very far from their general readership, but have occasionally been surprised by some excellent articles. They seem to have gone out the window recently and it is just wall to wall madness.

The problem with the above is that the use of the name 'brexit virus' sounds like some awful illness related to leaving the EU, which I'm pretty sure is not their intention Wink

RebelAllianceUK · 22/05/2017 14:13

3000 head teachers across 14 counties (including mine) have just (or about to) send out notices to all parents in their schools with a list of questions regarding education funding that we should be asking every political representative that knocks on our door as part of the General Election campaign process.

In my info pack I have a handy summary of all relevant facts, including a list of expected BS responses and how to quash them.

The covering letter stresses that this is about focusing on our children's education, not about making any political statement.

Smile

Maybe the country is waking up...

RebelAllianceUK · 22/05/2017 14:15

Jesus Red I just scrolled up and caught the photo of Theresa Farage...gave me a right shock!

RedToothBrush · 22/05/2017 14:24

What BigChoc said about Treeza being a dead woman walking.

This is why:
(((Dan Hodges)))‏*@DPJHodges*

May's U-turn won't have much impact on the election. But in terms of how her party and cabinet engage with her post election, it's seismic.

and this may turn out to be more notable than it looks. Expect more people to stray 'off message' post 9th June:

Gaby Hinsliff‏*@gabyhinsliff*
Tiny point, but 24 hrs ago Boris saying that social care wd have to be tweaked looked suicidally off-msg. Looks rather smarter now.

I'd remember all those people May has thrown under buses to accommodate her u-turns

(The FT have an article on them all here - 'Theresa May's 9 U-Turns' They are 1) Being a remainer 2) British Bill of Rights 3) Hinkley Point 4) Workers on boards 5) National Insurance 6) Early Election 7) Energy price caps 8) Social care 9) Foreign Worker Lists. It helpfully also tells us what she hasn't u-turned on; the single market, Indy Ref 2, Brexit Ref 2, Grammar Schools, Immigration figures including students, International Aid)

Those people she has made look stupid won't have short memories about it. And now people will smell blood and that she can be made to cave. It not just the Tory Right who will try and exploit it. The Tory Party War is FAR from over.

Strong and Stable isn't just about EU negotiations. Its also about 'The Party' and unity. Neither Labour nor the Cons are looking shit hot in that department.

We've not progressed at all from 23rd June.

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RedToothBrush · 22/05/2017 14:27

Jesus Red I just scrolled up and caught the photo of Theresa Farage...gave me a right shock!

I must say its propaganda not particularly to my taste, but its well done. (Propaganda of that ilk has a tendency to back fire as its horribly negative).

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Mistigri · 22/05/2017 14:38

Bloody hell. If she was planning to throw away this election (so that Labour gets the brexit short straw), she couldn't do a better job. I don't think there is much chance that she will lose, but it's no longer looking completely impossible. And if she does win, then I would put money on someone else taking over as PM before the brexit negotiations are done.

I didn't think I would ever say this, but if David Cameron came back as a challenger to May, I would vote for him (and I abhor that man). Tbh it makes even this former Labour voter and current LD member look back nostalgically to the Dave and George show. They might have screwed everyone except higher rate tax payers, but at least they did it competently.

Mistigri · 22/05/2017 14:39

(Or semi-competently. I don't rate them that highly).

RedToothBrush · 22/05/2017 14:42

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/21/marine-le-pen-abandons-frexit-crusade-error/
Marine Le Pen abandons Frexit crusade 'error'

There will be no Frexit.

Adam Hills‏*@adamhillscomedy*

Where there's a Will there's a May #dementiatax

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LurkingHusband · 22/05/2017 14:46

Those people she has made look stupid won't have short memories about it

One of the few joys in life the Tories bring to the world is to watch them turn on their own (is it sharks that do the same).

I am old enough to remember how Maggie went - and there are some interesting worrying if your surname is May parallels. The most striking is that what really did for Maggie was her announcing she would go forward to the second ballot before consulting with her team (she arrogantly fucked off to Paris for a meeting when the result of the first ballot was announced). This triggered the long slow procession of Tory grandees who had to advise her that if she stood, they could not back her.

I find myself idly wondering what the precedent would be for the Tories to win the election, and then dump May ? Howls there might well be. But - as we are often reminded - we don't vote for a leader in the UK.

squishysquirmy · 22/05/2017 14:52

"Brexit virus" Grin

Humans can catch the disease by eating undercooked pork, sausages, pork pies and bacon......
Most people who come into contact with the disease contract a nasty, flu-like cold.

However, some cases are severe and life-threatening, and pregnant women and transplant patients are particularly at risk.

...So the Telegraph is using a lot of panicky words to say that pig sushi is a bad idea?
No shit!

howabout · 22/05/2017 14:55

Call me cynical, but I am not so sure this U-turn is not in fact an extremely carefully choreographed manoeuvre to outflank the Tory Right. Last week they were squealing about May being a Red Tory with a Big State Agenda. Now they are begging her to ameliorate the effect of an uncapped Social Care policy on their aspiring backers. They wouldn't agree to Dilnot prior to the GE being called and now they are fully signed up with the addition of a "floor".

I watched Damian and Boris back to back yesterday and I do not believe either of them would have been as woolly as they were unless they already knew and were fully signed up to what was coming.

Looks like genius to me and just the way to handle Brexit.

I still think DC / GO / Clegg are the most incompetent UK Leaders in my lifetime and probably ever.

Badders123 · 22/05/2017 14:55

I was at a hosptial appt in Nov 90 when the news came on the radio Thatcher had gone
There was cheering 😁
"Pig sushi" 😂

squishysquirmy · 22/05/2017 14:56

I'd have thought it would take a lot for the Conservative MPs to turn on May in the near future - not because of their loyalty to her, but because whoever is in charge during Brexit will go down in history as the PM who fucked up the Brexit negotiations; No matter how well those negotiation go, they will be viewed by many as a failure due to the ludicrously high expectations that have been encouraged. It makes far more sense to wait for the fallout of Brexit, and then give May the boot.

RedToothBrush · 22/05/2017 14:57

David Allen Green‏**@davidallengreen**

  1. A couple of thought on the EU's financial demands for Brexit.
  2. If the legal liabilities of the UK were clear, there would be no need for an "exit agreement".
  3. Any agreement would be superfluous. The EU would just enforce its debts. No need for an agreement to do that.
  4. The agreement is not for the EU to get what is legally due. The agreement is needed for an "orderly" Brexit.
  5. That means an agreement will include - but not be limited to - each side's legal liabilities.
  6. From EU's perspective, that is to make EU "Brexit-proof" - ie nothing is disrupted by the UK's departure. Brexit neutrality, in a way.
  7. So there is no point UK shouting "see you in court". That is to misunderstand what the EU is seeking an exit agreement for.
Replying to *@davidallengreen*
  1. The UK would be better showing how Brexit would not be disruptive, but at a lower cost than is demanded by the EU.
  2. Given the EU can shrug instead of a trade deal, threats by UK to flounce will not get far.
10. And if the UK does flounce, all the knotty legal problems which need to be addressed will still be there, affecting real people. 11. And if there can be no agreement, then instead of litigation or flouncing, arbitration would be sensible solution (politics permitting). 12. I have put some of these thoughts in my @FT post today. Please have a look and tell me what you think about the issue. The law and politics of the EU’s Brexit bill www.ft.com/content/6c133423-fff7-3390-9f53-127d151622a1
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prettybird · 22/05/2017 14:59

I remember exactly where I was being horrified when Thatcher resigned even though I detested everything she stood for as she was the best weapon for Labour to win the next election. Shock

Unfortunately, my fear was proven well founded Sad

lalalonglegs · 22/05/2017 15:04

Rebel - can you give us a flavour of how to quash BS responses Smile? I'm so pleased that schools are taking up arms over this. Weirdly, my children's school is saying the widely-publicised NUT figures are wrong even though all the neighbouring schools are confirming them and making cutbacks accordingly.

LurkingHusband · 22/05/2017 15:07

PrettyBird

I've always felt that the Great British Public - or Electorate to be more precise - has a "fair play" sensibility in that they are quite happy to "give a person a chance". It certainly seemed apparent when Gordon Brown became PM - hell even I might have voted Labour. In a way it's a shame he bottled calling an election - instead of 2012, we got 2010, and what we are reaping now.

Going back to 1992 - I suspect there might have been a similar sentiment then - as the 1992 Tory victory was inexplicable from where I sat.

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