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Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 22:39

Theresa May has declared war on the EU. She is going to be a ‘bloody difficult woman’ after she got caught out by a highly predictable leak.

Apparently, the EU are trying to rig an election she seems almost dead cert to win. They deliberately timed the leak to interfere with an election May decided the timing of. May was not supposed to be at the dinner, but after she announced the election she decided that she had to get in on the act for some reason. Wildly speculating here, but could this be because she wanted the political mileage herself?

No it wasn't a preplanned strategy. Don't be stupid. That would suggest they had the foggiest clue and a plan. Nope, the war declaration was an opportunist damage limitation exercise, used to maximise political capital.

She has now even further alienated the EU. It seems difficult to conceive how any deal will be done. Instead it looks like the election is trying to set us up to crash out. Whether the ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’ happens to make the 3 page Tory Manifesto remains to be seen.

This would leave EU nationals and British national aboard in legal and social limbo.

There is also a feud building over the Brexit leaving bill, which is steadily climbing. We can not progress to the second stage of Brexit without resolving this. Again, this seems unlikely.

Thirdly, a settlement with Ireland is a top priority for the EU, and plans are being drawn up to make allowances for any potential United Ireland. This is a subject that is still to be talked about on any level really. May has been much more interested in the fate of Scotland and battling with Nicola Sturgeon.

That’s the thing. May is like the playground bully who goes around going “Do you wanna scrap ?, Do ya? DO YA?” and generally throws their weight around and most of the time gets their own way as a result. The trouble with the strategy is when the bigger kid comes along and thumps the bully, for being a cocky little shit and doesn’t like their kid brother getting picked on.

The trouble is that May is setting it up, to try and make it look like the poor little Britain has been picked on to her parents, so they go around accusing the big kid of all sorts rather than admitting their little darling is a nasty little shit.

It’s not going to end well is it? You can’t help but feel that at some point they’ll all end up in the Headmasters office and the WTO/UN/International Courts will rule against us for being a bunch of dickheads. No doubt May, will stick to character, hold a grudge and demand to leave them or say they have no authority over the UK.

That or we really will end up declaring war on Spain over Gibraltar. By accident of course. Probably to keep the ConKip party together and avoid a split.

Rule Britannia. Britannia rules. Erm, not a lot these days.

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HashiAsLarry · 06/05/2017 14:08

That was to rtb btw

NancyWake · 06/05/2017 14:10

May is choosing an abominably poor deal, ditching the single market and inevitably the customs union, there's nothing the EU can do about that - except pity us.

MsHooliesCardigan · 06/05/2017 14:15

I think the boiling frog analogy is very accurate. I don't understand why the opposition aren't making more mileage from TM being completely shielded from the public and avoiding any kind of debate. It's really not normal behaviour during an election campaign.
My theory is that she's a member of the slitheen and, as soon as she's behind closed doors, she unzips her forehead (only Dr Who fans will understand this).

RedToothBrush · 06/05/2017 14:16

www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/the-rise-of-the-alt-left?utm_term=.mr68nL81A#.edwxKXxYQ
The Rise Of The Alt-Left British Media

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Badders123 · 06/05/2017 14:42

I might getting more and more convinced Andy burnham wears eyeliner...

NancyWake · 06/05/2017 15:02

Why hasn't the opposition made more mileage out of everything to be fair - it's because they're crap.

PattyPenguin · 06/05/2017 15:17

Badders why wouldn't he, have you seen Uhtred?

(I may starting to confuse reality and fantasy, but that's probably understandable)

SapphireStrange · 06/05/2017 15:18

Marking place.

MangoSplit · 06/05/2017 15:21

Place marking

tiggytape · 06/05/2017 15:30

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BigChocFrenzy · 06/05/2017 15:51

The Brexit options are either a Norway-type deal or WTO

The jingoistic fury that May and the Tory media are whipping up is due to the dawning realization that there will be no "special deal"
The EU have always said this, but Brexiters have not believed them.

A Norway-type deal crosses too many of May's red lines, but as a transition deal it seems the only possible compromise in the 18 months available

If the transition lasted say 7 years, it would allow time for the UK to build customs infracstructure and negotiate trade deals with other countries, as well as the EU

May has boxed herself into a corner:
the only deal that is politically acceptable for her will is to get everything she wants without anything she don't want.
Not going to happen.

NancyWake · 06/05/2017 15:55

It would but the EU have limited an interim deal to 3 years.

NancyWake · 06/05/2017 15:55

Obviously I'm hoping they extend it, but one can't be sure...

annandale · 06/05/2017 15:56

Labour are frozen because quite a lot of them are Lexiters who are happy to be leaving, and another chunk were aware that there was a big swing to UKIP in Labour heartlands.

I think they should take a jump over the next few years and start writing White Papers (or whatever they are when they are opposition papers - erm, policy??) for the post EU era. What rights should be guaranteed and how, are there any that should be jettisoned etc. They should be talking about cracking down on all the who are key to any impact of immigration on wages. They should hive off PALS again and make them back into independent organisations like Community Health Councils used to be, with a sincere mea culpa for the Blair policy that ended them. The NHS as a single employer is lost, we now have outsourced bidding/tendering processes just like when I came into the NHS in 1996 and it was a total waste of money and shit then so we desperately need strong independent voices to hold them to account.

annandale · 06/05/2017 15:57

sigh - all the gangmasters, agencies and arms' length employment arrangements that are key to immigrants being exploited and the impact of immigration on wages. Much more important IMO than actually lifting the minimum wage - enforcing it.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/05/2017 15:58

The EU want a UK govt with a strong majority, because they think it will give May the political clout to compromise

However, the GE results won't magically conjure up the special deal unicorn.
The other 27 countries also have their own govts and their own interests

Greece kept re-electing their version of Corbyn in the delusional belief that eventually the rest of the EU would pay for him.
Didn't work.

You can vote for your own govt
You can't vote to force 27 other govts to give you something you want

NancyWake · 06/05/2017 16:01

She did so after a lot of cake and eat it criticism though

She did so after she was reminded of the single market regulations and advised she couldn't bend them to suit her.

Tories and Labour agree FOM won't continue because they're running scared of their voters and the gutter press.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/05/2017 16:04

I think the length of the transition period is definitely negotiable
The EU has red lines, the 4 pillars including FOM

They've also said the rights of expats, the NI border and settling the calculation terms - not the amount - of the exit bill are prerequisites

However, don't assume anything else in their proposed draft is a red line
Most other items probably are negotiable to some extent

Providing the E27 public don't react to May's jingoistic aggression and demand that their side don't compromise.
They can pressure the EU parliament to veto a deal

SapphireStrange · 06/05/2017 16:05

Tories and Labour agree FOM won't continue because they're running scared of their voters and the gutter press.

This exactly. And it's pitiful. Especially from Labour. I just want one fucker to have the courage to stand up and say Look at the fucking facts. We need EU nationals here. They are a boon, not a drain.

Sorry for the language but I'm feeling bloody today.

Peregrina · 06/05/2017 16:40

Labour hardly need be scared of UKIP because they managed to win one Council seat and lost all the rest. Given that the turnouts were around the 30% mark it suggests that those Labour voters who found UKIP attractive weren't all that bothered.

woman12345 · 06/05/2017 16:41

lala you're right, that float is distasteful, which is why it might reach parts that other remain campaigns don't reach. And knowing that most of us are now within a few hours drive or less to detention camps is even more distasteful. I hope that float starts touring the country soon.

Badders123 · 06/05/2017 16:43

Surely ukippers have either gone back to the tories or the snp?
They certainly haven't got back to labour!
Lib dems really didn't do that well on Thursday did they?

Kaija · 06/05/2017 16:49

Good title. Thanks, Red.

glorygloryhallelujah · 06/05/2017 16:55

Do you think there is a possibility that Labour voters in droves stayed away from voting on Thursday to give an impression that the GE would be a shoo-in for the Tories, in the hope that complacency set in and enough Tory voters stayed at home? The turnout figures were low enough to support this tin hat theory.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/05/2017 16:57

More creepy crawlies coming into the open:

The Orange Order of Scotland tweeted yesterday:

“Congratulations to all the Orangemen and Friends elected to their local council today.
This organisation is alive and kicking.” Hmm

I gather the Scottish Tories have been wooing the repulsive sectarian Orange Order for years, in Scotland.

The Order represent Protestant domination over defeated Catholics ..... centuries ago.
They have links with NI Protestant terrorists who murdered Catholic civilians during the Troubles

Any Scottish poster - pretty ? - Do you ever come across this sectarian crap in your area ?