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Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 22:39

Theresa May has declared war on the EU. She is going to be a ‘bloody difficult woman’ after she got caught out by a highly predictable leak.

Apparently, the EU are trying to rig an election she seems almost dead cert to win. They deliberately timed the leak to interfere with an election May decided the timing of. May was not supposed to be at the dinner, but after she announced the election she decided that she had to get in on the act for some reason. Wildly speculating here, but could this be because she wanted the political mileage herself?

No it wasn't a preplanned strategy. Don't be stupid. That would suggest they had the foggiest clue and a plan. Nope, the war declaration was an opportunist damage limitation exercise, used to maximise political capital.

She has now even further alienated the EU. It seems difficult to conceive how any deal will be done. Instead it looks like the election is trying to set us up to crash out. Whether the ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’ happens to make the 3 page Tory Manifesto remains to be seen.

This would leave EU nationals and British national aboard in legal and social limbo.

There is also a feud building over the Brexit leaving bill, which is steadily climbing. We can not progress to the second stage of Brexit without resolving this. Again, this seems unlikely.

Thirdly, a settlement with Ireland is a top priority for the EU, and plans are being drawn up to make allowances for any potential United Ireland. This is a subject that is still to be talked about on any level really. May has been much more interested in the fate of Scotland and battling with Nicola Sturgeon.

That’s the thing. May is like the playground bully who goes around going “Do you wanna scrap ?, Do ya? DO YA?” and generally throws their weight around and most of the time gets their own way as a result. The trouble with the strategy is when the bigger kid comes along and thumps the bully, for being a cocky little shit and doesn’t like their kid brother getting picked on.

The trouble is that May is setting it up, to try and make it look like the poor little Britain has been picked on to her parents, so they go around accusing the big kid of all sorts rather than admitting their little darling is a nasty little shit.

It’s not going to end well is it? You can’t help but feel that at some point they’ll all end up in the Headmasters office and the WTO/UN/International Courts will rule against us for being a bunch of dickheads. No doubt May, will stick to character, hold a grudge and demand to leave them or say they have no authority over the UK.

That or we really will end up declaring war on Spain over Gibraltar. By accident of course. Probably to keep the ConKip party together and avoid a split.

Rule Britannia. Britannia rules. Erm, not a lot these days.

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NancyWake · 08/05/2017 15:35

The lead is based entirely on the great hereafter (plus the death of the opposition). Never in my lifetime in the UK has so much been promised an electorate, based on so little possibility of achievement.

OlennasWimple · 08/05/2017 15:48

What does "VAT on Independent Schools" actually mean, though?

VAT on fees paid by parents? VAT on items bought by the school that would normally be exempt? VAT on building work? What??

On food, having lived abroad for a bit now, I've come to the conclusion that it's probably too cheap in the UK. I don't know whether this is the effect of EU subsidies, or Evil Supermarkets, or both or something else, but four pints of milk probably should cost more than £1 and a loaf of bread more than £1.50.

But I agree with Lurking about Sungold tomatoes - the party that promises to make those widely available will get my vote

woman12345 · 08/05/2017 15:50

What's the lead when lib/lab/green have made local arrangements, I wonder?

Hopefully that's why there's this little cage rattled:

Tories claim Vince Cable recording shows Lib Dems 'scheming' with Labour

While tories form an unholy alliance with DUP, UKIP and their NF associates and worse.

'Scheming' eh?

Peregrina · 08/05/2017 15:58

I don't think Labour has done any 'scheming' with anyone. Unlike the Tories and there UKIP chums.

Motheroffourdragons · 08/05/2017 16:01

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Peregrina · 08/05/2017 16:01

There = their.

PattyPenguin · 08/05/2017 16:02

Olenna, the vast majority of independent schools are registered as charities, and so don't pay VAT on some goods and services.

If you're at a loose end, details here www.gov.uk/vat-charities/overview

Motheroffourdragons · 08/05/2017 16:02

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RedToothBrush · 08/05/2017 16:04

Labour has done any 'scheming' with anyone

Unless their name rhymes with 'Foey'

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OlennasWimple · 08/05/2017 16:08

Thanks - I know indies are usually charities, I just loathe the looseness of "VAT on independent schools" if what they mean is "remove charitable status" (which is a whole heap of red tape...) or simply "require independent schools [and X other businesses] to pay VAT on goods and services"

Badders - the Daily Mash has explained your dream, because all cats are Thatcherites Grin

MrsSummerisle · 08/05/2017 16:13

So, how is it possible that so many people think that the Conservatives will do such a good job when only 10 months ago the electorate kicked traditional politics out of the window ? Voted against the establishment etc etc ?

I honestly cannot get my head around that.

  1. They voted against the liberal part of the establishment.
  2. The centre right has shifted towards patriotism and enveloped the authoritarian right.
  3. The liberal right is keeping faith with the new centre right because they have nowhere else to go - voting Corbyn would screw them much harder than a Brexit run by the new centre right. Some will shift over to the Lib Dems, but not enough to make much difference.

That gives an easy 40-50% of the vote to the new centre right.

Motheroffourdragons · 08/05/2017 16:14

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Badders123 · 08/05/2017 17:16

I have NEVER liked cats!
It's all becoming clear....

lalalonglegs · 08/05/2017 17:16

Yes, they're definitely planning to put vat on school fees. Lots of people fretting about it in SW London despite fact Labour stand zero chance of winning the election.

Cupofteaandtoilet · 08/05/2017 17:41

Saw this & it made me giggle - Haven't had time to read today (will do tonight) do apologies if previously posted.

Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently
HashiAsLarry · 08/05/2017 17:41

This just popped up on my twitter. Gave me a laugh:

Tom Hamilton‏ @thhamilton
No he didn't.

Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently
prettybird · 08/05/2017 17:57

I have three cats Shock: one 13 year old grande dame and 2x7 month old kittens (bought to keep her company after her "brother" died but she's still hissing at them)

But they're Siamese (which are dogs in disguise) - further evidence that I am part of the metropolitan elite citizen of nowhere Wink

BiglyBadgers · 08/05/2017 18:07

I have two cats and they are definitely not Thatcherite. I can assure you my boys are very left wing. They certainly seem to believe in equal distribution of wealth across all members of the household, particularly when 'wealth' includes space on the bed. Grin

NancyWake · 08/05/2017 18:14

Two cats, one a Burmese and therefore an immigrant. The other British, but practising Buddhist who believes in non-aggression and open borders to the point that he's friends with neighbouring cats and allows them into the garden to play - they all think he's very odd.

unicornsIlovethem · 08/05/2017 18:23

Olenna, removal of charitable status is easier in some ways but a bloody nightmare in others.

For starters, removal of charitable status generally for education would have a massive impact on Universities but defining anything less would leave an awful lot of loopholes in the definition or how it works (e.g. Would it pick up schools for children with additional needs - if not how would they be excluded?)

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 08/05/2017 18:40

Llamas as an alternative to sheep, cattle and horses for milk, haulage, meat and wool. Apparently they are better for environment and easier to keep too. And make great guard dogs.

What, you mean burglarallamas?

BiglyBadgers · 08/05/2017 18:42

A Complete Timeline Of How Trump Supporters Tried — And Failed — To Hijack The French Election
www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/how-the-american-far-right-tired-and-failed-to-hijack-the?utm_term=.kn3jN4dmL2#.ueb0X2BdPb

Basically the trolls failed to take into account cultural differences between America and France, which meant they did not spread fake news that bothered the French. Most importantly though the French media refused to play ball. They did not engage with the trolls and just went as far as to refute fake news when it did start to spread. I have to wonder if our MSM would be so restrained?

BestIsWest · 08/05/2017 19:24

"Unless we've annexed Ceylon, tea isn't either. Short of alcoholic beverages, I'm not sure we have any home grown hot drinks."

Horlicks! Ovaltine? Hot Bovril?

BiglyBadgers · 08/05/2017 19:29

Department for Brexit mocked after accidentally praising the EU
www.indy100.com/article/brexit-mockery-praise-eu-david-davis-european-union-7688831

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