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Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 22:39

Theresa May has declared war on the EU. She is going to be a ‘bloody difficult woman’ after she got caught out by a highly predictable leak.

Apparently, the EU are trying to rig an election she seems almost dead cert to win. They deliberately timed the leak to interfere with an election May decided the timing of. May was not supposed to be at the dinner, but after she announced the election she decided that she had to get in on the act for some reason. Wildly speculating here, but could this be because she wanted the political mileage herself?

No it wasn't a preplanned strategy. Don't be stupid. That would suggest they had the foggiest clue and a plan. Nope, the war declaration was an opportunist damage limitation exercise, used to maximise political capital.

She has now even further alienated the EU. It seems difficult to conceive how any deal will be done. Instead it looks like the election is trying to set us up to crash out. Whether the ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’ happens to make the 3 page Tory Manifesto remains to be seen.

This would leave EU nationals and British national aboard in legal and social limbo.

There is also a feud building over the Brexit leaving bill, which is steadily climbing. We can not progress to the second stage of Brexit without resolving this. Again, this seems unlikely.

Thirdly, a settlement with Ireland is a top priority for the EU, and plans are being drawn up to make allowances for any potential United Ireland. This is a subject that is still to be talked about on any level really. May has been much more interested in the fate of Scotland and battling with Nicola Sturgeon.

That’s the thing. May is like the playground bully who goes around going “Do you wanna scrap ?, Do ya? DO YA?” and generally throws their weight around and most of the time gets their own way as a result. The trouble with the strategy is when the bigger kid comes along and thumps the bully, for being a cocky little shit and doesn’t like their kid brother getting picked on.

The trouble is that May is setting it up, to try and make it look like the poor little Britain has been picked on to her parents, so they go around accusing the big kid of all sorts rather than admitting their little darling is a nasty little shit.

It’s not going to end well is it? You can’t help but feel that at some point they’ll all end up in the Headmasters office and the WTO/UN/International Courts will rule against us for being a bunch of dickheads. No doubt May, will stick to character, hold a grudge and demand to leave them or say they have no authority over the UK.

That or we really will end up declaring war on Spain over Gibraltar. By accident of course. Probably to keep the ConKip party together and avoid a split.

Rule Britannia. Britannia rules. Erm, not a lot these days.

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HashiAsLarry · 08/05/2017 19:38

Horlicks is American. Ovaltine is Swiss.
Bovril is ours though, albeit with some dodgy Argentinian history involved. As in the history is dodgy, not the Argentinians.

BestIsWest · 08/05/2017 19:40

Damn! Though the Horlicks Bros did come from Gloucestershire (distant relatives way back)

BiglyBadgers · 08/05/2017 19:43

We can all enjoy a delightful hot possit though. Made from hot milk curdled with wine or ale and liberally spiced. Definitely British! You can tell by obligatory addition of ale. Grin

BiglyBadgers · 08/05/2017 19:46

Sorry, that should be posset Blush

It was very popular in the middle ages I believe, so will go well with our serfdom and pigs in every yard.

PattyPenguin · 08/05/2017 19:49

Bovril belongs to Unilever, which is British-Dutch and has two HQs, in London and Rotterdam.

So not even Bovril is 100% British. Nor Marmite, which also belongs to Unilever.

Growing mint and chamomile to make herbal tea would seem the only way to go.

PattyPenguin · 08/05/2017 19:50

Can't have spices, Bigly, they're forrin.

Corcory · 08/05/2017 19:51

I think the idea of VAT on independent schools could well back fire. For a start there are loads of parents who couldn't afford the fees if they went up 20% so their children would have to go to the state system. A high % of the fees charged by private schools are given in bursaries and if they loss their charitable status then they would be under no obligation to give out the bursaries in the first place. So again more children going into the state system. Then there is the likelihood of a far few schools closing as they would no longer be viable, more children going into the state system. If they have to pay VAT on all educational products how does it work so the state schools don't have to? More red tape.

HashiAsLarry · 08/05/2017 19:54

Not sure I like the sound of pisset Shock Wink

BiglyBadgers · 08/05/2017 20:07

Can't have spices, Bigly, they're forrin.

Hot milky beer it is then Grin

PattyPenguin · 08/05/2017 20:30

You could surely do something by heating cider and honey. Specially if you pepped it up with dash of mead.

Kaija · 08/05/2017 20:32

"What, you mean burglarallamas?

Artisanjam · 08/05/2017 20:33

Could it be spiced with licorice? Otherwise I'll start stockpiling beer and wine nutmeg now.

BiglyBadgers · 08/05/2017 21:07

You can keep your liquorice out of my posset artisan. Yuk!

Artisanjam · 08/05/2017 21:11
Grin
LurkingHusband · 08/05/2017 21:21

Sorry, that should be posset blush
It was very popular in the middle ages I believe, so will go well with our serfdom and pigs in every yard.

There was a recipe in the (excellent) BBC "History" magazine which has a regular "Historical recipes" column.

(If the BBC are smart they will be able to double the circulation post-Brexit by reprinting it as "Modern Living")

PattyPenguin · 08/05/2017 21:34

Elderflower infusion! With honey. Hot or cold. It's a bit meh without citrus, but I wonder whether crab apple juice would work. (Starts making notes for experiment.)

BigChocFrenzy · 08/05/2017 21:39

illegitimate Your DH ! burglarallamas Grin

Figmentofmyimagination · 08/05/2017 21:51

Green pea pottage?

Or my personal favourite - frumenty

Or we could go resurrect the medieval fondness for "mock" things, when you take something you have lots of - ground almonds usually - and squish them into the shape of something you'd quite like to have but can't e.g. a delicious fish or similar. Then you pretend to yourself that you are actually enjoying a delicious fish.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/05/2017 21:51

Back to the grindstone now
< Slaps down all this immoral frivolity Grin >

(Times paywall) Result means new talks on Calais migrant deal, says May

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/french-election-means-new-talks-on-calais-migrant-deal-says-may-28jn5qwcp

"Theresa May conceded today that Britain would have to renegotiate a controversial treaty that makes France responsible for stopping migrants crossing the Channel to Britain.

The new French president, Emmanuel Macron, has made re-negotiating Le Touquet agreement a key election pledge, claiming it is unfair to France.

Today Mrs May appeared to concede that the agreement – which also allows UK immigration checks to be carried out on French soil — will have to be looked at again.

“He’s been elected, as I say, with a very strong mandate,” she said < well, that's an honest acknowledgment>

“And obviously the government elected after the 8th June will be sitting down and talking to Monsieur Macron and others about how that system we have works for the benefit of France as well as the benefit of the UK.”

When Mr Macron was the French economy minister he suggested
if the UK voted for Brexit, Paris could simply tear up a crucial agreement saying:

“The day this relationship unravels, migrants will no longer be in Calais.”

“It must be renegotiated, especially the parts that deal with the fate of isolated child migrants.”

"Any deal is likely to involve Britain paying for some or all of the costs of dealing with migrants in France attempting to come to the UK."

< This change was brought to you by .... Brexit >

Badders123 · 08/05/2017 22:00

How do you make gruel?...

BigChocFrenzy · 08/05/2017 22:01

This is actually a very worthwhile pledge from Labour. I remember being shocked we'd copied the USA in milking the sick & their families for more money.

(Times paywall) Labour promises to scrap hospital car park charges

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-promises-to-scrap-hospital-car-park-charges-3d89dpsjv

In a manifesto pledge the party said that parking charges would be abolished because they were “a tax on serious illness”.

Labour said it would cover the lost revenue with an 8 per cent rise in insurance premium tax to 20 per cent for private health insurance products.
< I have private insurance and I think this is fair. Others, like me, are likely to have higher discretionary income - private medicine is a luxury I choose, not a need >

"It said the tax rise would be enough to cover the £162 million that English hospitals raised annually from car parking charges.

The policy announcement follows a Freedom of Information request by Unison,
which revealed that some hospitals were charging staff, including nurses, nearly £100 a month to park.

SwedishEdith · 08/05/2017 22:08

"The One show is cringeworthy at the best of times. Theresa and Phillip with the crappy tenious cheesy links between segments... yuk. Plenty of time for them to look gloriously awkward, like every other guest they have on the show."

Oh, god, please have a foodbank nurse or a child or Ian Hislop on at the same time.

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 08/05/2017 22:15

Vimto?

Motheroffourdragons · 08/05/2017 22:18

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Corcory · 08/05/2017 22:31

Mother, Not all private education is a 'luxury'. My children were given a bursary to go to a particular school because they have particular sensory problems, adhd and asd, they were also bullied in the local school. Without the help of this school they would have been deprived of an education as they were refusing to go to school at all.
The fact that so many people take up a private education has a very positive effect on the education budget as they don't take any of it. There are thousands of children given means tested bursaries every year who would otherwise depend on the state for their education.