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Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 22:39

Theresa May has declared war on the EU. She is going to be a ‘bloody difficult woman’ after she got caught out by a highly predictable leak.

Apparently, the EU are trying to rig an election she seems almost dead cert to win. They deliberately timed the leak to interfere with an election May decided the timing of. May was not supposed to be at the dinner, but after she announced the election she decided that she had to get in on the act for some reason. Wildly speculating here, but could this be because she wanted the political mileage herself?

No it wasn't a preplanned strategy. Don't be stupid. That would suggest they had the foggiest clue and a plan. Nope, the war declaration was an opportunist damage limitation exercise, used to maximise political capital.

She has now even further alienated the EU. It seems difficult to conceive how any deal will be done. Instead it looks like the election is trying to set us up to crash out. Whether the ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’ happens to make the 3 page Tory Manifesto remains to be seen.

This would leave EU nationals and British national aboard in legal and social limbo.

There is also a feud building over the Brexit leaving bill, which is steadily climbing. We can not progress to the second stage of Brexit without resolving this. Again, this seems unlikely.

Thirdly, a settlement with Ireland is a top priority for the EU, and plans are being drawn up to make allowances for any potential United Ireland. This is a subject that is still to be talked about on any level really. May has been much more interested in the fate of Scotland and battling with Nicola Sturgeon.

That’s the thing. May is like the playground bully who goes around going “Do you wanna scrap ?, Do ya? DO YA?” and generally throws their weight around and most of the time gets their own way as a result. The trouble with the strategy is when the bigger kid comes along and thumps the bully, for being a cocky little shit and doesn’t like their kid brother getting picked on.

The trouble is that May is setting it up, to try and make it look like the poor little Britain has been picked on to her parents, so they go around accusing the big kid of all sorts rather than admitting their little darling is a nasty little shit.

It’s not going to end well is it? You can’t help but feel that at some point they’ll all end up in the Headmasters office and the WTO/UN/International Courts will rule against us for being a bunch of dickheads. No doubt May, will stick to character, hold a grudge and demand to leave them or say they have no authority over the UK.

That or we really will end up declaring war on Spain over Gibraltar. By accident of course. Probably to keep the ConKip party together and avoid a split.

Rule Britannia. Britannia rules. Erm, not a lot these days.

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LurkingHusband · 08/05/2017 09:52

windup radio

(this thread risks descending into a Monty Python sketch).

Windup radio ? We used to dream of a windup radio when I were a lad.

What's wrong with a bit of coal screwed to some wood, and an earphone ?

RedToothBrush · 08/05/2017 09:54

Perhaps we could reintroduce the auroch and woolly mammoth while we're at it ?

uk.businessinsider.com/ancient-auroch-close-to-being-revived-2016-12
Scientists are attempting to bring back an ancient elephant-sized cow

Already being done.

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woman12345 · 08/05/2017 09:59

You're right, Patty, found a lovely link about it:
www.botanicafabula.co.uk/apps/blog/show/44241223-kistinthyme-wwii-plant-ways
And on hawthorns too:
www.organicfacts.net/hawthorn.html
There were lots of wild roses before so many ancient hedgerows were taken out, though.

RedToothBrush · 08/05/2017 09:59

this thread risks descending into a Monty Python sketch

This thread is about Brexit. I think we crossed that bridge many moons ago.

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Motheroffourdragons · 08/05/2017 10:01

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prettybird · 08/05/2017 10:06

I've got 6 raised beds (one for asparagus, the rest rotated), raspberry canes and a Victoria plum tree (which crops heavily every year). We also have a 100ft pear tree which drops hundreds of thousands of pears from a great height (so we get very few useable ones) - but I'm sure we could rig something up to collect them and make perry. Grin

Camellia in the back border for tea.

Just need to get the greenhouse over from MIL's (it was FIL's and it's not been used since he died so she wants rid) and we've got tomatoes sorted. Wink

Neighbour (right hand half of garden) has apple trees. We've got a wild cherry in the front garden.

Lots of comfrey, cotoneaster, aquilegia, alliums for bees.

Just need to get the sugar supply sorted.

Next door neighbour used to have chickens so I'm sure we could find space for a few - as long as we keep them protected from the cats and the urban foxes.

Under the Scottish feudal terms, the garden can't be used for cows, soap factory or tannery (amongst other restrictions) Hmm

Maybe we can start a barter system Grin

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LurkingHusband · 08/05/2017 10:07

I wonder what other species need to be revived/reintroduced, to complete the UKs reversion to feudal times ?

Wolves, obviously. And we'll have to raise our own bears for bear-baiting. Luckily badger-baiting never went away so that just needs to be regularised. Along with cock-fighting, and hare-coursing.

Kites are already returning - and given we need to make the poor and disabled do something aside from looking miserable, and whinging, it might be an idea to reintroduce the Tudor bounty on kites ...

woman12345 · 08/05/2017 10:11

Time to lose the recycle bins and get a little piggy.

Mmm fresh bacon, and free range sausages.

They're pretty noisy when slaughtered though.

The 11 million victims of democracy are being mourned in many sad brexit bunny posts now, and BBC and florid Andrew Neil's bonkers' breakdown.

It's just not fair when fascists lose.

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HesterThrale · 08/05/2017 10:15

Just caught up - thread's gone crazy lately - France, bees, cows, self-suffiency a la Good Life. (That dates me!)
Sorry to mention the Br*t word again.
Peregrina your post at 8.57 made me think:
'What will Leavers say if May does yet another screeching U turn and decides that Brexit is not an option after all?'

If she gets a huge majority she could turn round and say 'we're not doing Brexit, it's not good for the UK.'
And maybe Leavers couldn't argue with a huge majority?
Will have to study closely how the manifesto is worded. ('Best deal for Britain' etc.)
Just saying.

squoosh · 08/05/2017 10:21

what other species need to be revived/reintroduced, to complete the UKs reversion to feudal times ?

Serfs?

LurkingHusband · 08/05/2017 10:22

I hadn't heard of aurochs - had to google

So did I Smile. It was a few years ago (I was already 40 !) and they were mentioned on a Time Team.

It's where we get the word "Ox" apparently ...

RedToothBrush · 08/05/2017 10:22

UKIP claims it would cut net migration to zero.

Labour will ban junk food add before 9pm.

Conservatives are considering cap on amount people have to pay towards social care. (Who is going to pay for this instead?)

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RedToothBrush · 08/05/2017 10:29

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39842715?ocid=socialflow_twitter&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=twitter
UK house prices in first quarterly fall since 2012

Depending on your position this could be a good thing or a bad thing.

The Bank of England has also said that the number of mortgages being approved has fallen for two months running.

This is the worrying bit.

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prettybird · 08/05/2017 10:31

Motheroffourdragons - it's been gloriously sunny (if with a strong cold wind until the last few days) for over 2 weeks now Shock That'll be our summer then Wink (Picture was taken about a month ago: I'm doing a sequence of month by month pictures of the garden to record the year)

I've even had to water the pots! Shock

HesterThrale · 08/05/2017 10:31

Mo4D no I don't really. Wishful thinking.
But with a huge majority, she can do all sorts of other stuff which we won't like.
We need to study that manifesto and read between the lines.

Motheroffourdragons · 08/05/2017 11:05

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ElenaGreco123 · 08/05/2017 11:14

Just about to start afresh in a new house and garden, so I am taking notes.

As part of preparing DS (9) for life, I have shown him some Monty Python. He loves it, but could not believe how silly they are.

LurkingHusband · 08/05/2017 11:29

As part of preparing DS (9) for life, I have shown him some Monty Python. He loves it, but could not believe how silly they are.

I envy him !

It's odd - most non-Python people I know always explain their position with the word "silly" ("I don't get it, it's just silly") ... presumably "Only Fools and Horses" is high art ?

NancyWake · 08/05/2017 11:32

I'm glad I've got a big garden, I'll be digging for victory.

Not sure I can cope with chickens there are a lot of foxes around here.

LurkingHusband · 08/05/2017 11:34

I'm glad I've got a big garden, I'll be digging for victory

6 foot deep ?

BluePeppers · 08/05/2017 11:38

Brexit 52-48: "Clear, decisive victory."
Trump 46-48: "The people have spoken."
Macron 66-34: "OMG France is so divided."

Confused
Peregrina · 08/05/2017 11:48

Hester - is that wishful thinking, do you really think May will change her mind ?

I don't think so either, but she has shown that she can do complete U-turns when expedient to do so.

But to cheer some of us up and piss off those Leavers who are struggling to understand French democracy here is a cartoon done by someone called Thomas Taylor, which he has invited people to share.

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