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Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 22:39

Theresa May has declared war on the EU. She is going to be a ‘bloody difficult woman’ after she got caught out by a highly predictable leak.

Apparently, the EU are trying to rig an election she seems almost dead cert to win. They deliberately timed the leak to interfere with an election May decided the timing of. May was not supposed to be at the dinner, but after she announced the election she decided that she had to get in on the act for some reason. Wildly speculating here, but could this be because she wanted the political mileage herself?

No it wasn't a preplanned strategy. Don't be stupid. That would suggest they had the foggiest clue and a plan. Nope, the war declaration was an opportunist damage limitation exercise, used to maximise political capital.

She has now even further alienated the EU. It seems difficult to conceive how any deal will be done. Instead it looks like the election is trying to set us up to crash out. Whether the ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’ happens to make the 3 page Tory Manifesto remains to be seen.

This would leave EU nationals and British national aboard in legal and social limbo.

There is also a feud building over the Brexit leaving bill, which is steadily climbing. We can not progress to the second stage of Brexit without resolving this. Again, this seems unlikely.

Thirdly, a settlement with Ireland is a top priority for the EU, and plans are being drawn up to make allowances for any potential United Ireland. This is a subject that is still to be talked about on any level really. May has been much more interested in the fate of Scotland and battling with Nicola Sturgeon.

That’s the thing. May is like the playground bully who goes around going “Do you wanna scrap ?, Do ya? DO YA?” and generally throws their weight around and most of the time gets their own way as a result. The trouble with the strategy is when the bigger kid comes along and thumps the bully, for being a cocky little shit and doesn’t like their kid brother getting picked on.

The trouble is that May is setting it up, to try and make it look like the poor little Britain has been picked on to her parents, so they go around accusing the big kid of all sorts rather than admitting their little darling is a nasty little shit.

It’s not going to end well is it? You can’t help but feel that at some point they’ll all end up in the Headmasters office and the WTO/UN/International Courts will rule against us for being a bunch of dickheads. No doubt May, will stick to character, hold a grudge and demand to leave them or say they have no authority over the UK.

That or we really will end up declaring war on Spain over Gibraltar. By accident of course. Probably to keep the ConKip party together and avoid a split.

Rule Britannia. Britannia rules. Erm, not a lot these days.

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RedToothBrush · 08/05/2017 09:11

Brexit pollution has done for a lot of brexit bees mother that and brexit sell off of AONB and there'll be no wild flowers for the bees.

There are bee hives on the roofs of buildings in central London that are producing honey.

www.urbanbees.co.uk

The problem with the decline of bees seems to be as much about the lack of homes as pollution. No one wants a bees nest in their back garden afterall.

That's one for Sadiq Khan to work on. Homes for key workers and bees.

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Motheroffourdragons · 08/05/2017 09:13

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woman12345 · 08/05/2017 09:17

I heard that the London bees are also so contented because there are fewer pesky pesticides in town too. Luckily lots of pesticides on their way when we get rid of all that continental red tape.

It's been scientifically proved that bees like man buns and beards, mother Grin on face book.

Motheroffourdragons · 08/05/2017 09:21

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Peregrina · 08/05/2017 09:21

I do have a lot of comfrey in the garden, which truthfully, is a bit of a nuisance because it suppresses everything else. But every time I go out to think of pulling it up, I see and hear bees buzzing around, and it gets a reprieve. I will have to confine it to one patch of the garden.

LurkingHusband · 08/05/2017 09:23

BBC 'Today' still mourning MLP's defeat and her 11m voters

Compare and contrast with the disappearance of 48% of the UK electorate ...

RedToothBrush · 08/05/2017 09:23

Perhaps we should all join the preppers section. I think it is coming to that.

MN has a prepared section? Awesome. Do they have details on how to survive Brexit and the Spice Zombies?

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RedToothBrush · 08/05/2017 09:26

I think chickens do too.

My parents owe a chicken (was chickens). Nasty horrible, smelly creature.

Surely rabbits (or even guinea pigs) are easier to keep and more commercially viable long term for meat. People will get over the cute factor if they are hungry.

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LostPeppers · 08/05/2017 09:35

Yep, if it had been the other way around and someone in France had posted similar comments such as 'RIP UK' after Brexit, I'm wondering how they would have reacted.
I'm sure we would have had screams about the 'will of the people'.

And that's wo the fact that these journalists have no knowledge at all of the politics in France
e.g. That the FN has been present in France for a while now and that the FN was at second round of the presidential election in 2002 too. But that, even though JMLP did make it to the second round, the FN got ONLY 11% of the vote on the first round the election for the MPs and then NO MPs at all to represent them.

These people should be ashamed of themselves TBH.

LurkingHusband · 08/05/2017 09:35

They source tomatoes from a hydroponic farm but still can't get them year round cheap enough.

About 15 years ago, you could get the most delicious cherry tomatoes - Sungold. Then they disappeared (you can grow your own). To be replaced by "SunDream", "SunBlush" and "SunSweet" - all of which are (as MrsLH says) "SunShit". It's hard to describe how bland they are without insulting something else by comparison.

I bemoaned the loss of them at the time in various online fora, and the consensus was (a) they simply cannot have been economical to grow and (b) the Great British Public were much happier buying cheap, flavourless produce, so there wasn't enough demand.

Now I know why my DF took to growing tomatoes in his retirement (he grew up in a very rural country).

woman12345 · 08/05/2017 09:38

Where I live there are ratty squirrelly creatures called glis glis, brought by immigrants(Romans), but edible.

RedToothBrush · 08/05/2017 09:38

Some more ideas for Brexit:www.offthegridnews.com/how-to-2/5-forgotten-things-grandma-did-with-dandelions/
Dandelions for salad, tea, wine, 'honey' and medicine.

www.offthegridnews.com/how-to-2/5-important-reasons-you-should-add-llamas-to-your-livestock-herd/
Llamas as an alternative to sheep, cattle and horses for milk, haulage, meat and wool. Apparently they are better for environment and easier to keep too. And make great guard dogs.

Do you have your windup radio and solar chargers yet?

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LurkingHusband · 08/05/2017 09:40

And that's wo the fact that these journalists have no knowledge at all of the politics in France

I have to take issue with that statement as it contains an implication that these journalist understand politics elsewhere, which - from their scribbling - would be incorrect.

woman12345 · 08/05/2017 09:40

the glis glis, are edible, to be clear.Grin

These people should be ashamed of themselves TBH

BBC, Sky, DT and the fail.

PattyPenguin · 08/05/2017 09:42

Does anyone have a garden or shed big enough for a cow?

Cows used to live in cities - not all milk was brought in by train. My mother, born 1919, remembered them in Liverpool - also see the book 'Urban Cowboys' by Duncan Scot. In 1900, there were 900 licensed "cow houses" in the city.

LostPeppers · 08/05/2017 09:42

Re tomatoes, it's not justvthat. It's the fact that people are now used to semi ripe tomatoes, hard and with njo taste.
Give people ripe tomatoes, red in colour and slightly soft and people refuse to buy them saying that they won't keep, they are overripe anyway (so can't eat them ) etc...
All that heard in a supermarket btw with customers complaining about their perfectly good and ripe (for once!) tomatoes.
Same happens with other fruits and vegs such as nectarines, pears etc.... for example

LostPeppers · 08/05/2017 09:43

LF fair enough Grin

RedToothBrush · 08/05/2017 09:44

About 15 years ago, you could get the most delicious cherry tomatoes - Sungold.

I do wonder if that's what is grown locally. Best tomatoes I've ever eaten. So sweet they are a nice alternative to chocolate.

Will have to find out.

Thanks for the preoperative thread. Will have to come up with some good ideas.

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woman12345 · 08/05/2017 09:45

Wild garlic, hazelnuts, blackberries, even beech nuts; there's lots of foraging food available if you are in the countryside, just didn't plan to be doing this in 2017. In the last war hawthorn berries were boiled and used for vitamin C to avoid scurvy.

Scurvy Hmm

Wonder if the rationing books are printed up yet?

PattyPenguin · 08/05/2017 09:47

Tesco even call some of their fruit "ripen at home".

Mind you, when I buy them and take them home, they go from being tooth-breakingly hard to mushy (and furry in patches) in exactly 30 seconds.

RedToothBrush · 08/05/2017 09:47

Communal land... Our housing estate has communal green space... Could be converted in a crisis. Playing fields?

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LurkingHusband · 08/05/2017 09:48

Did anyone watch the experimental archaeology series "Tudor Monastery Farm ?" with the Goodwin-Gunn-Longlands trio ?

Fascinating to see how much peasant diet was basically weeds.

Peas were also a big crop - they can be stored dried over winter, and if you keep the foliage, it can be fed to animals.

I luffs liquorice (sidebar: why does my UK English spearchucker insist it is "liquor ice", "liquor-ice", or "licorice" ???). And aniseed.

Perhaps we could reintroduce the auroch and woolly mammoth while we're at it ?

PattyPenguin · 08/05/2017 09:49

woman that was rose hips.

www.theoldfoodie.com/2014/05/the-rose-hip-collection-campaign-ww-ii.html