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Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 22:39

Theresa May has declared war on the EU. She is going to be a ‘bloody difficult woman’ after she got caught out by a highly predictable leak.

Apparently, the EU are trying to rig an election she seems almost dead cert to win. They deliberately timed the leak to interfere with an election May decided the timing of. May was not supposed to be at the dinner, but after she announced the election she decided that she had to get in on the act for some reason. Wildly speculating here, but could this be because she wanted the political mileage herself?

No it wasn't a preplanned strategy. Don't be stupid. That would suggest they had the foggiest clue and a plan. Nope, the war declaration was an opportunist damage limitation exercise, used to maximise political capital.

She has now even further alienated the EU. It seems difficult to conceive how any deal will be done. Instead it looks like the election is trying to set us up to crash out. Whether the ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’ happens to make the 3 page Tory Manifesto remains to be seen.

This would leave EU nationals and British national aboard in legal and social limbo.

There is also a feud building over the Brexit leaving bill, which is steadily climbing. We can not progress to the second stage of Brexit without resolving this. Again, this seems unlikely.

Thirdly, a settlement with Ireland is a top priority for the EU, and plans are being drawn up to make allowances for any potential United Ireland. This is a subject that is still to be talked about on any level really. May has been much more interested in the fate of Scotland and battling with Nicola Sturgeon.

That’s the thing. May is like the playground bully who goes around going “Do you wanna scrap ?, Do ya? DO YA?” and generally throws their weight around and most of the time gets their own way as a result. The trouble with the strategy is when the bigger kid comes along and thumps the bully, for being a cocky little shit and doesn’t like their kid brother getting picked on.

The trouble is that May is setting it up, to try and make it look like the poor little Britain has been picked on to her parents, so they go around accusing the big kid of all sorts rather than admitting their little darling is a nasty little shit.

It’s not going to end well is it? You can’t help but feel that at some point they’ll all end up in the Headmasters office and the WTO/UN/International Courts will rule against us for being a bunch of dickheads. No doubt May, will stick to character, hold a grudge and demand to leave them or say they have no authority over the UK.

That or we really will end up declaring war on Spain over Gibraltar. By accident of course. Probably to keep the ConKip party together and avoid a split.

Rule Britannia. Britannia rules. Erm, not a lot these days.

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7Days · 07/05/2017 23:44

Going back to the CA info manipulation thing. Probably much harder for that to gain a foothold in continental Europe due to language differences. Yes, of course translators exist but so does authentic, localised counter information thats not drowned out as much by propaganda.

RedToothBrush · 07/05/2017 23:48

I've thought of another one.

In order to take advantage of increased amounts of flooding, we should invest in British rice along our river banks.

Don't mock. If we fail to make a deal and find the WTO don't want us either....

What else will the EDL and BF eat their chicken tikka masala with?

EDL and chicken tikka masala

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/05/2017 23:50

Also, the rightwingers billionaires haven't cornered the non-English mass media and hence haven't been able to spread xenophobic poison over the last 20 years

However, Putinbots have been very active in several EU countries the last couple of years, especially whipping up fear and hatred of Muslims - most of their output seems to be that kind of fake news, distorted news

BigChocFrenzy · 07/05/2017 23:52

Neil Hughes @enhughesiasm
< David Attenborough voice >

The natural predator of the Brexit is known as 'reality', and it can be seen here starting to bite.
Grin

mathanxiety · 08/05/2017 01:29

Even if the common travel area that allows all Irish citizens to travel, live, work, vote and stand for election in the UK is maintained, the creation of customs control posts with the Union flag flying above them on all roads crossing between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland will be a red rag to any Irish nationalist brought up on the Sinn Fein-IRA culture of hatred of the “Brits”

You wouldn't need to hate anyone or be imbued in Sinn Fein culture to feel strongly about the fact that Brexit represents a 180degree departure from the letter and the spirit of the GFA, and of course you would shake your head sadly at the plight of the EU citizens on the other side of the border, many of whom might be your family or friends or colleagues or teammates. You would also be worried about the smuggling and the lawlessness created by the border, and the scoffing at the law that accompanies smuggling, and the nefarious characters appearing in the border region for the purposes of smuggling. You could also be concerned about the potential for law enforcement personnel to be bribed, and in general for a diminution in the quality of life along a border that was always completely artificial.

TheElementsSong · 08/05/2017 07:05

I'm pretty sure Elements is having a laugh

Grin Damn, spotted! Grin

woman12345 · 08/05/2017 07:09

And no more Guinness and Baileys math.

The GFA is the serious proof of a peace and prosperity bringing agreement to be lost in Brexit.

The funding and DUP links to Brexit can't be a coincidence.

frumpety · 08/05/2017 07:16

Great thread red Star

woman12345 · 08/05/2017 07:19

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/08/macron-help-europe-win-war-with-populism-presidential-election-le-pen

Any one else finding the world makes a little more sense, with another defeat of populism?

The courage of Macron and those who voted for him gives me hope. It really is time to get over that referendum, and fight back in a coalition of parties. If they, especially a lot of the young French who propelled his campaign have the wherewithal to win a defeat of fascism, we should press on for our young people.

Britain under this regime looks embarrassing.

NHS sounds like a good focus.

woman12345 · 08/05/2017 07:21

^The Green Party has confirmed it will not stand candidates in a number of crucial Tory-Lib Dem marginals, in an effort to help defeat the Conservatives.

A Green candidate in Oxford West and Abingdon, where the Lib Dems came second in the 2015 general election, has announced she will be stepping down after a meeting with local party members^
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www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/green-party-stands-aside-oxford-west-abingdon-richmond-park-twickenham-marginal-seats-liberal-a7722236.html

Kaija · 08/05/2017 07:21

I'm wary of being too optimistic at this point, but yes, woman, I feel very much like that too.

Everytimeref · 08/05/2017 07:24

Hunt had admitted no £350 million for NHS after Brexit. What a shock didnt see that coming!

Everytimeref · 08/05/2017 07:24
  • has not had.
woman12345 · 08/05/2017 07:28

I've hit the paywall but this looks good.

Are Brenda and Phil the Greek all that stands between us and the Maybots 'Tomorrow belongs to me' moment?

The diminishing of the Queen's role in Parliament leaves us vulnerable to a British Erdogan
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/07/diminishing-queens-role-parliament-leaves-us-vulnerable-british/

PattyPenguin · 08/05/2017 07:29

Er...

And when it says "the BBC understands" it generally means "someone enior / trustworthy from the BBC has seen the final final draft signed and dated by the head honcho".

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39840503

"The Conservatives will once again promise to cut net migration to the "tens of thousands" in their election manifesto, the BBC understands.
On Sunday, Home Secretary Amber Rudd refused to say whether the pledge - which was in the 2010 and 2015 Tory manifestos - would be repeated.
But the BBC understands it will definitely be in the 2017 manifesto."

LurkingHusband · 08/05/2017 07:32

With the booming business that hydroponics shops are doing in the UK (apparently growing chillis and tomatoes) I would have thought tea would be a doddle.

LostPeppers · 08/05/2017 07:38

Still watching.

RedToothBrush · 08/05/2017 07:38

On Sunday, Home Secretary Amber Rudd refused to say whether the pledge - which was in the 2010 and 2015 Tory manifestos - would be repeated.
But the BBC understands it will definitely be in the 2017 manifesto."

Code for the Cabinet have been having a big row over this and May has just overuled their counter arguments due to her personal pride over the ludicrous and damaging target.

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BigChocFrenzy · 08/05/2017 07:38

I want plantations of cocoa bushes (in glasshouses ?) to safeguard choc supplies, in case the ports are cut off.
The Uk should try to grow the essentials in the food chain

TheElementsSong · 08/05/2017 07:39

The readers of the Daily Mail seem curiously unsupportive of Democracy, Sovereignty and the Will of the People when it isn't fine upstanding British folk intoning devotionally about the wonders of Brexit

twitter.com/DMReporter/status/861287728226471936

BigChocFrenzy · 08/05/2017 07:42

Facebook announces steps against fake news during general election

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/08/facebook-help-tackle-fake-news-during-general-election

"Facebook has announced moves to help suppress fake news during the UK general election, starting with the deletion of tens of thousands of bogus profiles"

They advise that “if shocking claims in the headline sound unbelievable they probably are”, to “check the author’s sources to confirm they are accurate” and “only share news that you know to be credible”.

woman12345 · 08/05/2017 07:44

Facebook has announced moves to help suppress fake news

British MSM should be doing the same, otherwise they look like they're what Steve Colbert said Trump's mouth was.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/05/2017 07:45

The Fail continues its tradition of "Hurrah the Blackshirts" and its Comments generally reflect this

Bananagio · 08/05/2017 07:46

I feel the same woman. There is a huge way to go and Europe needs to reform but I feel this was a resounding Yes to go in that direction and a resounding No to fascism and populism and after the last year I will take that as a starting point to reignite hope. And I would love to hear from any of the posters who gleefully predicted the domino effect with the Netherlands and France leading the way. That has been the one viewpoint aired here that truly disgusts me, that to make our path easier/justify our decision or just because you are filled with such a bizarre amount of hatred towards the EU that you actively hope for the collapse of something that would put the rest of Europe into turmoil.

LurkingHusband · 08/05/2017 07:46

"The Conservatives will once again promise to cut net migration to the "tens of thousands" in their election manifesto,

Demonstrating their commitment to recycling, clearly.

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