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Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 22:39

Theresa May has declared war on the EU. She is going to be a ‘bloody difficult woman’ after she got caught out by a highly predictable leak.

Apparently, the EU are trying to rig an election she seems almost dead cert to win. They deliberately timed the leak to interfere with an election May decided the timing of. May was not supposed to be at the dinner, but after she announced the election she decided that she had to get in on the act for some reason. Wildly speculating here, but could this be because she wanted the political mileage herself?

No it wasn't a preplanned strategy. Don't be stupid. That would suggest they had the foggiest clue and a plan. Nope, the war declaration was an opportunist damage limitation exercise, used to maximise political capital.

She has now even further alienated the EU. It seems difficult to conceive how any deal will be done. Instead it looks like the election is trying to set us up to crash out. Whether the ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’ happens to make the 3 page Tory Manifesto remains to be seen.

This would leave EU nationals and British national aboard in legal and social limbo.

There is also a feud building over the Brexit leaving bill, which is steadily climbing. We can not progress to the second stage of Brexit without resolving this. Again, this seems unlikely.

Thirdly, a settlement with Ireland is a top priority for the EU, and plans are being drawn up to make allowances for any potential United Ireland. This is a subject that is still to be talked about on any level really. May has been much more interested in the fate of Scotland and battling with Nicola Sturgeon.

That’s the thing. May is like the playground bully who goes around going “Do you wanna scrap ?, Do ya? DO YA?” and generally throws their weight around and most of the time gets their own way as a result. The trouble with the strategy is when the bigger kid comes along and thumps the bully, for being a cocky little shit and doesn’t like their kid brother getting picked on.

The trouble is that May is setting it up, to try and make it look like the poor little Britain has been picked on to her parents, so they go around accusing the big kid of all sorts rather than admitting their little darling is a nasty little shit.

It’s not going to end well is it? You can’t help but feel that at some point they’ll all end up in the Headmasters office and the WTO/UN/International Courts will rule against us for being a bunch of dickheads. No doubt May, will stick to character, hold a grudge and demand to leave them or say they have no authority over the UK.

That or we really will end up declaring war on Spain over Gibraltar. By accident of course. Probably to keep the ConKip party together and avoid a split.

Rule Britannia. Britannia rules. Erm, not a lot these days.

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woman12345 · 08/05/2017 07:51

www.facebook.com/JonathanPieReporter/
Doing the rounds on local tory area Facebook, it's not fake. Smile

Everytimeref · 08/05/2017 07:52

They are saving paper by making the manifesto fit on back of cigarette packet!

BigChocFrenzy · 08/05/2017 07:53

City firms say they won't be ready for Brexit in two years

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/08/city-firms-say-they-wont-be-ready-for-brexit-in-two-years

"City firms are making preparations for a hard Brexit even though they fear the two-year negotiation period for the UK for the EU will not be long enough for them to complete the complex restructuring needed, according to a report published on Monday."

"did not consider whether the UK would be able to maintain “passporting” rights

– the means by which firms can operate across the current 28 member EU borders –
because they believe

this is not politically viable after Theresa May’s speech in January ruling out membership of the single market."

BigChocFrenzy · 08/05/2017 08:04

If there is political chaos in the EU, or the Eurozone were to crash as many Brexiters were (unrealistically) hoping, that would crash the UK economy too.

Those Brexiters have no understanding of economics, trade - or indeed defense - if they think the UK can thrive if its 450 million neighbours have a fascist revolution.

Marine LePen's vision of a triple alliance of France, Germany - and RUSSIA - is all the UK's foreign and defense policy nightmares over the last 2 centuries combined into one horror show.

Madness for any supposedly patriotic Brits to support that
and to be so angry at its rejection by French voters.

Motheroffourdragons · 08/05/2017 08:05

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woman12345 · 08/05/2017 08:05

^Madness for any supposedly patriotic Brits to support that
and to be so angry at its rejection by French voters^.

The phenomenal Trump thread, is what our future looks like under May, documenting life under alt right fiefdom.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2917449-100-days-in-congrats-to-us-all-for-keeping-sane-on-the-Trump-train?pg=33

And the thread running on US/UK 'travel security'. May binned our human rights a long while ago.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2922238-Flying-into-the-US-how-do-immigration-know-if-you-have-criminal-convictions

Cherrypi · 08/05/2017 08:13

Surely net immigration targets will be much easier to hit in the next few years as so many people will choose to leave.

TheElementsSong · 08/05/2017 08:14

That has been the one viewpoint aired here that truly disgusts me, that to make our path easier/justify our decision or just because you are filled with such a bizarre amount of hatred towards the EU that you actively hope for the collapse of something that would put the rest of Europe into turmoil.

Absolutely!

And then at the same time, we also have the touchy-feely reassurances that we luuurrve our European neighbours and of course we're going to carry on being bezzie mates with all our marvellous special treatment trade deals.

Bananagio · 08/05/2017 08:28

Oh and elements don't forget that we also hope for the end of the EU because we are Just So Appalled by how they have treated Greece and Italy - especially over the refugee crisis (although you can go and screw yourself if you want us to relieve the burden as current members of the EU in any significant way).

RedToothBrush · 08/05/2017 08:38

I want plantations of cocoa bushes (in glasshouses ?) to safeguard choc supplies, in case the ports are cut off.
The Uk should try to grow the essentials in the food chain

Cocoa has the same problem as coffee. Not commercially viable as too sensitive to climate.

The UK needs to look at more suitable alternative sweets which do grow here like liquorice and mint post Brexit. Of course liquorice is much more common and popular in the EU. (And it's rank). So maybe it's off the list for being the food of the enemy. We also need to cultivate more bees to produce honey.

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BiglyBadgers · 08/05/2017 08:38

Round up of the front pages on the Macron win.

www.theguardian.com/media/2017/may/08/not-the-revolution-how-british-newspaper-front-pages-reacted-to-macrons-victory

BiglyBadgers · 08/05/2017 08:42

We grow quite a bit of sugar beet in the UK I think, so should be OK for sweets.

I am going to buy a tea plant or two and also some moroccan mint to keep my going. I'm guessing maple trees take too long to grow, I love maple syrup and my IBS means I can't tolerate honey.

RedToothBrush · 08/05/2017 08:43

Macron's priority will be fixing the Eurozone not Brexit. Eurozone is more critical to more people ultimately.

I'm glad to see it's on the agenda. Many leaver or reluctant remainer think the EU is the same as the Eurozone rather than seeing them as different and causing differ (though sometimes related) problems.

It poses a problem for the pound if we turn into a basket case and problems with the Eurozone are looked at.

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RedToothBrush · 08/05/2017 08:52

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3295379/The-great-sugar-farce-Changes-law-mean-sugar-cheaper-widely-available-fuelling-obesity.html
The great sugar farce: Changes in the law mean sugar will be be cheaper and more widely available than ever, fuelling obesity

Strict controls on the European sugar industry are currently being relaxed
Move is being carried out by the EU - backed by the British Government
Low price will make it more profitable for companies to add sugar to food
Consumption of sugar - which raises risk of disease - is likely to increase

Sugar off the menu folks. It's artificial sugar substitutes all the way. (Which rather screws the Brexit jam plan up too).

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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 08/05/2017 08:54

With the booming business that hydroponics shops are doing in the UK (apparently growing chillis and tomatoes) I would have thought tea would be a doddle.

Our neighbourhood hydroponics shop went wholly online a while ago, but made a huge performance of selling orchid foods and compost. Wink

We noticed recently that the Carluccio set lunch menu portions have shrunk considerably whilst staying the same price or slightly higher, plus a £1 surplus for the chicken option. Food price rises are biting since last June, but covertly. DH and I had a depressing conversation about it being the start of things to come. I suddenly realised the value of my horribly dated 70s meat cookbook, which explains how to make cheap cuts edible & has oodles of offal recipes.

Peregrina · 08/05/2017 08:57

Good to see the Mail celebrating democracy in France (not)!

I was just musing, what will Leavers say if May does yet another screaching U turn and decides that Brexit is not an option after all? Some people think she might do this, although I am not convinced.

Motheroffourdragons · 08/05/2017 08:57

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PattyPenguin · 08/05/2017 08:59

Silver Spoon is made from British grown sugar beet, so is a Truly Patriotic food.

And liquorice has been grown around Pontefract for at least 400 years.

So there's your sweetmeat problem solved - Pontefract (or Pomfret) cakes. You're welcome.

HashiAsLarry · 08/05/2017 09:00

I can't stand liquorice Sad

woman12345 · 08/05/2017 09:03

BBC 'Today' still mourning MLP's defeat and her 11m voters, that figure seems to be being repeated as much as 'strong and stable' . Hmm

Recent agreements with Greece, are encouraging, but agree, food prices up. Petrol really gone up. Packets are teeny weeny (especially chocolate!)

Radio 4 has a jolly programme on 'make do and mend' clothes, can't find the link, but it was on last week.

Brexit pollution has done for a lot of brexit bees mother that and brexit sell off of AONB and there'll be no wild flowers for the bees.Sad

PattyPenguin · 08/05/2017 09:06

I believe in the Middle Ages nuts were considered a treat amongst ordinary people.

Caveat: This opinion has been formed by studying literature rather than archaeology.

RedToothBrush · 08/05/2017 09:06

With the booming business that hydroponics shops are doing in the UK (apparently growing chillis and tomatoes) I would have thought tea would be a doddle.

I'm quite friendly with a local farmer who does veg boxes (as in a proper local veg box, not this Able and Cole pretend locally source nonsense) They source tomatoes from a hydroponic farm but still can't get them year round cheap enough. There is too much demand and not enough capacity at certain times of year.

I will be getting more friendly with him over the next couple of years....

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Peregrina · 08/05/2017 09:07

and there'll be no wild flowers for the bees

I will do my best to sabotage it by planting a corner of the garden with wild flowers. Plus turning over a section to vegetables, although I have not been too successful in the past with my crops.

Motheroffourdragons · 08/05/2017 09:10

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woman12345 · 08/05/2017 09:11

Smile I've got a tiny wild flower patch Peregrina looking forward to moon daisies and kidney vetch to soften the blow of June9th. As well as coffee, I will be unable to live without salad, so will become a salad exile in a democracy. I'm sure that's covered by the ECHR.