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Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 22:39

Theresa May has declared war on the EU. She is going to be a ‘bloody difficult woman’ after she got caught out by a highly predictable leak.

Apparently, the EU are trying to rig an election she seems almost dead cert to win. They deliberately timed the leak to interfere with an election May decided the timing of. May was not supposed to be at the dinner, but after she announced the election she decided that she had to get in on the act for some reason. Wildly speculating here, but could this be because she wanted the political mileage herself?

No it wasn't a preplanned strategy. Don't be stupid. That would suggest they had the foggiest clue and a plan. Nope, the war declaration was an opportunist damage limitation exercise, used to maximise political capital.

She has now even further alienated the EU. It seems difficult to conceive how any deal will be done. Instead it looks like the election is trying to set us up to crash out. Whether the ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’ happens to make the 3 page Tory Manifesto remains to be seen.

This would leave EU nationals and British national aboard in legal and social limbo.

There is also a feud building over the Brexit leaving bill, which is steadily climbing. We can not progress to the second stage of Brexit without resolving this. Again, this seems unlikely.

Thirdly, a settlement with Ireland is a top priority for the EU, and plans are being drawn up to make allowances for any potential United Ireland. This is a subject that is still to be talked about on any level really. May has been much more interested in the fate of Scotland and battling with Nicola Sturgeon.

That’s the thing. May is like the playground bully who goes around going “Do you wanna scrap ?, Do ya? DO YA?” and generally throws their weight around and most of the time gets their own way as a result. The trouble with the strategy is when the bigger kid comes along and thumps the bully, for being a cocky little shit and doesn’t like their kid brother getting picked on.

The trouble is that May is setting it up, to try and make it look like the poor little Britain has been picked on to her parents, so they go around accusing the big kid of all sorts rather than admitting their little darling is a nasty little shit.

It’s not going to end well is it? You can’t help but feel that at some point they’ll all end up in the Headmasters office and the WTO/UN/International Courts will rule against us for being a bunch of dickheads. No doubt May, will stick to character, hold a grudge and demand to leave them or say they have no authority over the UK.

That or we really will end up declaring war on Spain over Gibraltar. By accident of course. Probably to keep the ConKip party together and avoid a split.

Rule Britannia. Britannia rules. Erm, not a lot these days.

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 07/05/2017 19:17

Brexit domino effect? Oh dear.

squoosh · 07/05/2017 19:19

'The Irish Times usually issue corrections when inaccurate information is published. Wonder when it will be addressed.'

I read that article in disgust but was cheered that nearly all the comment were very dismissive of Nigel's sage words of advice to the Irish people.

The Irish Times has become awfully click bait-y recently though. After Trump's election they had a revolting article written by some alt reich American resident in Ireland, giving a glossary of the new far right terminology. Basically giving him a platform to promote their ideology. That really boiled my piss.

Cailleach1 · 07/05/2017 19:19

Enjoy that champers, Misti. They are saying there is a high number of abstention and blank votes. Le Pen mostly got Fillon's votes.

woman12345 · 07/05/2017 19:23

I didn't know that about Merkel, great night. Onwards and upwards.Smile Best news since June23rd

May will be pissed off Grin

HashiAsLarry · 07/05/2017 19:24

Vive la francais excuse my poor french and whatever the similar thing is in the Netherlands. Europe hasn't caught the fascist bug from us. And yet apparently it's them we should be worried about Hmm

Bearbehind · 07/05/2017 19:25

It looking more and more lonely out here on our anti EU island isn't it Hmm

Badders123 · 07/05/2017 19:27

Vive la France!

woman12345 · 07/05/2017 19:27

Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives secured a strong win Sunday in state polls in northern Germany, early results showed, lending a boost to her bid to retain power in September's national elections
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Voters in the small, northern state of Schleswig-Holstein on the Baltic Sea handed her CDU party 34 percent, while the centre-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) clinched 27 percent

www.france24.com/en/20170507-germany-merkel-conservative-party-scores-strong-win-state-poll-test

British TV news seem a bit disappointed the fascist lost. Hmm

Badders123 · 07/05/2017 19:28

Hmmm..
Yes
Only the U.S. seems to have fallen for the brexit bullshit
Heartening, really.

squoosh · 07/05/2017 19:29

So that's a no to Hofer, a no to Wilders, and a no to Le Pen.

More of the above please.

Peregrina · 07/05/2017 19:30

Maybe the apparent stupidity in Britain and the US has had a benefit? The Dutch and now the French have said a decisive 'No Thanks' to our alt-right stance. I think it's pertinent that both countries were occupied during WW2 and know at first hand the reality of fascism.

My family had a close Dutch friend, now deceased, who told us some pretty harrowing tales of what Occupation was like. She was a woman of absolute integrity and well respected in the Community, so I fully believed her.

woman12345 · 07/05/2017 19:30

Makes that article in the Guardian even more powerful Badders. We and Trumpsters were Mercered into this shite.

red you posted it earlier and it's great on Mercer, CA, psyops and the military techniques used to target the vulnerable on social media. Working a treat so far, but .......................

squoosh · 07/05/2017 19:31

'British TV news seem a bit disappointed the fascist lost. hmm'

I was thinking the same thing!

woman12345 · 07/05/2017 19:32

Maybe the apparent stupidity in Britain and the US has had a benefit
I had always hoped that, Peregrina, looks like we're working as a good piece of live propaganda for the dangers of being gullible idiots.

Lico · 07/05/2017 19:33

🍷.
Phew....!

SwedishEdith · 07/05/2017 19:36

"British TV news seem a bit disappointed the fascist lost"

Probably penny dropping they've fed the wrong horse and we are the nationalist insular freaks of Europe.

woman12345 · 07/05/2017 19:38

Wine Lico, EmilyAlice and all the French posters. Big phew. Time to organise with Europeans against May's shit. We could do with learning some winning techniques.

prettybird · 07/05/2017 19:41

Grin Mistigri at "French no longer go to mass on Sunday, they go to vote and then they pray."

Their prayers were answered today! Wine

BigChocFrenzy · 07/05/2017 19:46

Donald Tuskk @eucopresident*
Félicitations à @EmmanuelMacron, aux français qui ont choisi la Liberté, l'Egalité et la Fraternité et dit non à la tyrannie des "fake-news"
.............
Congratulations @EmmanuelMacron. Congratulations to French people for choosing Liberty, Equality and Fraternity over tyranny of fake news.

pointythings · 07/05/2017 19:46

I am having Wine too.
At least now I have somewhere to go when it all turns to shit here.

HashiAsLarry · 07/05/2017 19:48

I was about to post that bigchoc
Serious burn!

woman12345 · 07/05/2017 19:48

Dermot Murnaghan on Sky news seems furious that MLP lost. They're broadcasting her press conference. BBC seems equally heart broken. Now BBC journalist, is insisting that Algerians don't fit in in French society.
How can these people sleep at night?

mathanxiety · 07/05/2017 19:49

Cailleach - there is no plan for anything but winning this election.

Winning the election involves whipping up public fury about the rotten bullies in Brussels.

How that works is Britain makes impossible demands wrt FOM, pleasing the xenophobic voters, then accuses the EU of intransigence and even outright vindictiveness and hostility when it repeats countless times that FOM is fundamental to all favourable deals on trade. Then after promising to be 'bloody difficult', Britain makes it known that a 'war negotiator' (actually a conflict negotiator) has been consulted - because obv this is war that is being waged on dear old Blighty.

Scotland is also painted as a belligerent for expressing doubts about Brexit and hinting that its own interests are more important than maintaining the Union. Even individual citizens opposing hard Brexit are painted as 'saboteurs'.

The Farage initiative in the IT is designed to provoke an Irish response, from correction of factual errors to statements about the border, that will also be painted as belligerent and also typically ungrateful (i.e. fought for independence and won) and the facts of the bailout and the GFA and all else in between will not matter one bit to those who feel deep down that the Irish are a bunch of vicious backstabbers - so I suspect a hard border is intended or at least countenanced by the government, and when Ireland protests, the voters' mood is already inclined to see reasonable appeals to the GFA and for recognition of island-wide economic interdependence as backstabbing, rabid, politically-inspired Republican sabotage.

There is deliberate alienation of all parties across the table, probably in hopes of provoking a hostile response, and within Britain other countries and leaders are being demonised. Juncker has become a hate figure. Sturgeon is well on her way.

The aim is to unite the country behind the Tories so that they can win the GE and proceed to effect a neo fascist revolution in Britain.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/05/2017 19:53

When did the BBC and Sky decide the fascists were their team Confused ?

Well, the EU leaders will remember who was on the anti-fascist side ....

Nicola Sturgeon @NicolaSturgeon
Vive La France. Congratulations to new President, Emmanuel Macron on his decisive victory over the hard right.
#frenchelection
8:05 pm · 7 May 2017

EmilyAlice · 07/05/2017 19:53

Big, big phew. And we are determined to get French nationality so we can vote next time.