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Westministenders: Up Shit Creek without Wifi.

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RedToothBrush · 29/04/2017 22:12

Theresa May is being held hostage.

There is mounting evidence that all is not as it seems at CCHQ. It makes you don your tin foil hat and ask who is in charge.

Theresa May was a Remainer. She suddenly abandoned that when she became leader. Her proclamation of what would follow next seems directly at odds with her actions. This is not her fault. This is her plea for help and way of telling the outside world that she is a prisoner of Brexit.

At first it seemed like perhaps she had been locked up with Brexiteers for too long. She seemed to be developing a survival strategy which seemed totally irrational to outsiders. The signs of intimidation everywhere though. Instead of criticising those who did this, May joined in with them or was complicit in her silence.

Things are now taking a sinister turn. After repeatedly saying ‘No Election’, May crumbled and called one. She has now not been seen in public since. Instead she is being wheeled out at closed events to the party faithful. They are being dressed as mixing with the people but they are no such thing. The plebs in attendance are set to ‘mute’ or locked out completely.

Behold the coming of the May-Bot. She seeks to ‘prevent tourism’ in Wales. She now no longer knows which town she is currently in. (Much less have a plan for Brexit). She accuses an organisation set up to use its numbers to get better deals, of doing what it is supposed to, except she calls this ‘ganging up’.

May is not transported in a bus. Oh no. Instead she travels by the Bond Villian’s choice of transport; the helicopter.

More worrying still is the mantra ‘Strong and Stable’ repeated as many times as possible. It is almost as if, if she says it enough she might start believing it. She certainly has got her party members brainwashed and acting as if they were Zombies. Who needs ‘Spice’ when you are a Conservative? They ‘Believe’…

The ploy is to hoodwink people into voting for May instead of the Tories. CCHQ have removed Conservative branding from literature and campaigning in the North. The party are still too toxic, but May apparently scores well especially against Corbyn. Ironically however negatively I think of Corbyn he does display something May increasingly seems incapable of: humanity.

Many people might think of May as some sort of dictator figure. Its true. Every vote for her strengthens her hand. But not for Brexit negotiations. Mainly because Brexit is without merit or reward. Not unless you hold power. This is part 2 of the grab for it.

This is May’s power paradox. SHE is not powerful. She isn’t persuasive. She isn’t a healer of divides. She relies on authoritarian measures to get her way. This isn’t a sign of her personal power, but a sign of her personal weakness. She is sly and sneaky in her methods rather than compelling others to come along with her. They are doing so more because they dislike the alternative in Corbyn less.

She is not stable. She has lurched from one drama to the next, and has repeatedly been forced to back down from what she wanted. Nothing says ‘stability’ and ‘good leadership’ like appointing Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary. The lady is not so much for turning and leading, but is already staggering around dizzy whilst blindfolded playing pin the tail on the donkey. And Christ she’s got a lot of them in her Government. Including the numpty who decided to do a live event and broadcast it in an area with no wi-fi. Mind you, that is soon to be the entire country. Or what’s left of it.

She had said she had a mandate for Brexit and did not need this to be approved by the country as she was getting on with the job. This is why we are having a General Election to give her a mandate…

Not only that, but there is a lurking question here that should not be forgotten. Who is pulling May’s strings and making her dance as her actions are not natural? Every puppet show has puppet masters behind the scenes of the stage, hiding in the shadows.

They will dispense with their toy once she has outlived her usefulness like every good baddie.

Is she the one we should be most fearful of?

Hold on tight this is going to be a very bumpy ride over the next two years. Just how many casualties will be sacrificed on the altar of Brexit?

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HashiAsLarry · 05/05/2017 07:19

This has been stuck with me since the Turkish referendum. I suspected we would soon feel the brunt of this here ourselves.

We think of dictatorship as military coup, but people vote their way into authoritarianism with tragic frequency. - Garry Kasparov

HesterThrale · 05/05/2017 07:19

UKIP being obliterated. Does this mean Question Time will stop having them on? Last night, no Lib Dem, no Green, but Paul Nuttall!
I'm still cross.

woman12345 · 05/05/2017 07:19

I had planned for 2 years grace( with this parliament limping on) before full fat fascism here, too late now.

Peregrina · 05/05/2017 07:21

I despair too about the results. I was telling yesterday, with a pleasant enough Tory, but oh so smug. Not a person to question anything - who would have bought wholesale the Mail/Telegraph story about immigrants/benefit scroungers, without any sense of 'there but for the grace of God, go I'. One who voted Leave, despite having an EU DIL, and is now wondering why her son has fallen out with her - well, not really he hasn't, he just has to support his wife, yadda, yadda. The wife spoke more plainly - so you want me to leave. It made me realise why Theresa May is popular, with her vacuous empty statements - there are a lot of people out there, equally vacuous.

PattyPenguin · 05/05/2017 07:22

Re the Wrexham results, there has always been a strong tradition of Independent councillors in Wales, partcularly outside the industrial (and now post-industrial) areas. Wrexham council previously had 28 Independents compared with 12 Labour, 5 each Tory and LD and 2 Plaid Cymru.

The question with Independents is always, what policies will they support?

woman12345 · 05/05/2017 07:23

Agree Hester

What would Churchill have said to all this, and the queen's dad?

Watching the King's Speech and the extract of him announcing war, one is struck by the moral imperative of fighting evil. Part of that speech refers to the need to fight the idea of 'might is right'.

May is in thrall to thugs.

RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 07:35

There will be no deal. May can not back down. But as May can not back down it means the EU has no choice. It can not back down. I wish DH would wake up and realise. He's doing his fighting now... This is not the future I want for my son. We could go. It's doable. But entirely down to DH.

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Badders123 · 05/05/2017 07:36

I want to go too
Dh wont :(

RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 07:39

www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/how-the-conservatives-are-using-local-adverts-to-get-around?utm_term=.arqN5nNy9#.duZk68kZ9
How The Conservatives Are Using Local Adverts To Get Around Election Spending Rules
This is what newspaper advertising tells us about Conservative campaign tactics – and which constituencies they're targeting

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BestIsWest · 05/05/2017 07:40

Lab re-elected in my council ward despite a very strong local Tory candidate and an independent who has been working hard locally. In fact the Lab candidate got just about the sum of the other two. I am a bit heartened by that. In other news Plaid have done better than expected in another local area.

BigChocFrenzy · 05/05/2017 07:43

The Brave New Dawn that our visitor is so pleased about:

It happened a while ago for some
Better hope none of us fall on hard times ...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/04/benefits-assessments-damaging-lives-hardworking-britain

"Can you tell me why you haven’t killed yourself yet?”

As she speaks to me from her home, Alice Kirby is not recounting abuse shouted at her in the street but
the question put to her in a disability benefit assessment."

"“When someone asks you to defend your reasons for staying alive, it puts thoughts in your head which shouldn’t be there,” she says. “You wonder if others also question why you haven’t killed yourself. You think about whether there is a duty to die.”

BestIsWest · 05/05/2017 07:45

In fact, Labour increased majority in my home town , Swansea which is good news.

BestIsWest · 05/05/2017 07:47

...BUT there was a substantial lack of opposition from any party other than CON so in most wards it was pretty much a two horse race.

woman12345 · 05/05/2017 07:47

How many of us are stuck with DHs who will not see the writing on the wall?
Powerlessness and the mitigation of it, is what we women learn all our lives, men will only learn a nuanced version of it, or choose not to see it at all: another reason for fascism to be voted in.

LostPeppers · 05/05/2017 07:47

No result here yet.
We have a new combined new mayor. The combined area is strongly Labour with pockets of very strong conservative in an area that voted Leave by large.
It will be interesting to see what the result will be ....

woman12345 · 05/05/2017 07:48

Smile BestisWest thanks for that one.

BigChocFrenzy · 05/05/2017 07:48

With 19 of 88 councils declared, net gains / losses:
. CON +113
. LAB -58
. LDEM -13
. UKIP -30
. SNP 0
. Plaid +8
. Others -31

ElenaGreco123 · 05/05/2017 07:48

woman12345
Is this JC's last stand?

I thought that last night's QT was the ultimate focus group for Rebecca Long Bailey facing David Davis. I said to DH that JC is either resigning or being pushed out.

ElenaGreco123 · 05/05/2017 07:53

I have asked asked DH to cancel today's meetings and start to look for a new job abroad. Even specified which ones. I do not think he wants to Sad.
I was 30 when I moved here and it was very hard and scary to find new friends, community, etc. I do not want to give it up because of Nazis.

LostPeppers · 05/05/2017 07:54

woman I reckon DH wil bout move until things are getting really really bad. Then he might bulge.
I'm currently doing a regular reminder on how awful the country is, how I don't really want our dcs to grow up etc... we've agreed that we are going to convince the dcs to study abroad (my home country) so they can experience what is a much nicer way of living. It's a start. He wasn't so keen on it a year ago.
So hopping away slowly until reality dawns.

No idea where we would go though.

HashiAsLarry · 05/05/2017 07:55

How many of us are stuck with DHs who will not see the writing on the wall?
DH sees the writing on the wall, but lacks the momentum to pull his finger out of his butt. I'm hoping that after the GE he'll start.

AndIndigo2 · 05/05/2017 07:56

Woke up to sad news of Tory council wins.

All I can say that I like these threads it here in this little corner of the Internet.

woman12345 · 05/05/2017 07:57

Let's get a Westminstenders island, everyone.Smile Somewhere warm please.

LostPeppers · 05/05/2017 07:59

Even wo the results of today, I am questioning if it's safe for us to stay in the uk.
Atm I am working only part time due to ill health. We rely on DH income. If anything happens to him (illness, death), I have nothing. The dcs have nothing. Is that worth the risk??

And that's even before going into pensions or health care.

RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 07:59

Norman Smith @BBCNormanS
^Senior Tory tells me @timfarron
@LibDems cd now be biggest risk for them - if can position himself as 'real opposition'^

Operation get out the Tory vote begins in earnest

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