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Westministenders: Up Shit Creek without Wifi.

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RedToothBrush · 29/04/2017 22:12

Theresa May is being held hostage.

There is mounting evidence that all is not as it seems at CCHQ. It makes you don your tin foil hat and ask who is in charge.

Theresa May was a Remainer. She suddenly abandoned that when she became leader. Her proclamation of what would follow next seems directly at odds with her actions. This is not her fault. This is her plea for help and way of telling the outside world that she is a prisoner of Brexit.

At first it seemed like perhaps she had been locked up with Brexiteers for too long. She seemed to be developing a survival strategy which seemed totally irrational to outsiders. The signs of intimidation everywhere though. Instead of criticising those who did this, May joined in with them or was complicit in her silence.

Things are now taking a sinister turn. After repeatedly saying ‘No Election’, May crumbled and called one. She has now not been seen in public since. Instead she is being wheeled out at closed events to the party faithful. They are being dressed as mixing with the people but they are no such thing. The plebs in attendance are set to ‘mute’ or locked out completely.

Behold the coming of the May-Bot. She seeks to ‘prevent tourism’ in Wales. She now no longer knows which town she is currently in. (Much less have a plan for Brexit). She accuses an organisation set up to use its numbers to get better deals, of doing what it is supposed to, except she calls this ‘ganging up’.

May is not transported in a bus. Oh no. Instead she travels by the Bond Villian’s choice of transport; the helicopter.

More worrying still is the mantra ‘Strong and Stable’ repeated as many times as possible. It is almost as if, if she says it enough she might start believing it. She certainly has got her party members brainwashed and acting as if they were Zombies. Who needs ‘Spice’ when you are a Conservative? They ‘Believe’…

The ploy is to hoodwink people into voting for May instead of the Tories. CCHQ have removed Conservative branding from literature and campaigning in the North. The party are still too toxic, but May apparently scores well especially against Corbyn. Ironically however negatively I think of Corbyn he does display something May increasingly seems incapable of: humanity.

Many people might think of May as some sort of dictator figure. Its true. Every vote for her strengthens her hand. But not for Brexit negotiations. Mainly because Brexit is without merit or reward. Not unless you hold power. This is part 2 of the grab for it.

This is May’s power paradox. SHE is not powerful. She isn’t persuasive. She isn’t a healer of divides. She relies on authoritarian measures to get her way. This isn’t a sign of her personal power, but a sign of her personal weakness. She is sly and sneaky in her methods rather than compelling others to come along with her. They are doing so more because they dislike the alternative in Corbyn less.

She is not stable. She has lurched from one drama to the next, and has repeatedly been forced to back down from what she wanted. Nothing says ‘stability’ and ‘good leadership’ like appointing Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary. The lady is not so much for turning and leading, but is already staggering around dizzy whilst blindfolded playing pin the tail on the donkey. And Christ she’s got a lot of them in her Government. Including the numpty who decided to do a live event and broadcast it in an area with no wi-fi. Mind you, that is soon to be the entire country. Or what’s left of it.

She had said she had a mandate for Brexit and did not need this to be approved by the country as she was getting on with the job. This is why we are having a General Election to give her a mandate…

Not only that, but there is a lurking question here that should not be forgotten. Who is pulling May’s strings and making her dance as her actions are not natural? Every puppet show has puppet masters behind the scenes of the stage, hiding in the shadows.

They will dispense with their toy once she has outlived her usefulness like every good baddie.

Is she the one we should be most fearful of?

Hold on tight this is going to be a very bumpy ride over the next two years. Just how many casualties will be sacrificed on the altar of Brexit?

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prettybird · 05/05/2017 07:59

Peter Reeve from UKIP on BBC Breakfast: after loads of silly waffle, he actually says something that is true - "UKIP has controlled the national and Government agenda for many years even without a single seat in the House of Commons"
Sally then asked how that was possible when they didn't have any MPs. I was shouting at the TV, "Because of you lot the MSM". ConfusedShockHmm

unicornsIlovethem · 05/05/2017 08:00

My brother and sister are leaving. We can't - DH has a health condition which means he won't be accepted by any non-eu country. If the NHS goes, I could move with the children when he's dead.

I hate that this is now something which occurs to me.

Badders123 · 05/05/2017 08:02

Sadly until it affects him dh will not budge
Once food prices sky rocket he will understand

RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 08:03

DH sees the writing on the wall, but lacks the momentum to pull his finger out of his butt. I'm hoping that after the GE he'll start.

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Peregrina · 05/05/2017 08:06

I thought that last night's QT was the ultimate focus group for Rebecca Long Bailey facing David Davis. I said to DH that JC is either resigning or being pushed out.

I hope this is good news, and that Labour becomes a strong opposition again. It looks pretty hopeless at the moment, but things looked bleak in 1992. It will be difficult if May gets a decent majority in the HoC and it will still be all the Oppositions fault, in her eyes, but eventually I hope that people will wake up and give her the boot, and I will have no tears if she goes down as one of the worst PMs in history.

prettybird · 05/05/2017 08:11

Just to remind people that the counting in Scotland doesn't start until later this morning. And because of the STV system, it may take some time for the results to come through after that.

woman12345 · 05/05/2017 08:12

Agree Peregrina

unicorns and lost Flowers 'Mitigate' is my watchword for now.

Saw Germain Greer give a lecture last night, it's easy to forget how strong we women are until some one reminds you. Her lecture was on environment and ecology, but she reminded me that the Greenham Women started in 1982, in the absolute depths of that arsehole era of Thatcherism. (While Reagan was fucking up US).

Just went down to Greenham and started it, no political party, mandate, nothing just did it.

That's not happening now, but impotence is a learnt response. And, things change.

AndIndigo2 · 05/05/2017 08:16

On a positive note the Lib Dem councillor I voted for yesterday acquired a seat (is new to the seat). I am proud to have campaigned for Lib Dems. It's not very much in the bigger scheme of things but at least I feel I am not passively letting things happen.

Motheroffourdragons · 05/05/2017 08:21

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LittlePickleHead · 05/05/2017 08:23

I don't think I can do this any more. Wake up to that sinking feeling that it's all gone wrong again.

But that's what they want isn't it. To break our will.

Feel so disenfranchised. My DH the same as many of yours, just tells me to stop watching the news!

I won't give up. If the next 5 years are as bad as many of us fear, we will come back fighting.

At the moment, sadly, May seems to be what the people want. Let them have her and see how they fare.

RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 08:24

McDonnell offends me in a way Corbyn doesn't. He makes him look good.

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53rdWay · 05/05/2017 08:26

McDonnell doing a heroic effort at damage control on R4, trying to claim it's not as bad as it looks for Labour. Hmm

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BiglyBadgers · 05/05/2017 08:33

Well he can hardly step down 4 weeks before a GE. That would be madness. After the GE the labour party will have to sit down and have a good hard think about what it has done and how it is going to learn to work together rather then just bickering amounts themselves. I think it is going to take some time to sort out though and is not as simple as just removing Corbyn. However much some people want to believe that he somehow appeared in power by magic he is the result of a deeper rift in the party then just one man.

CopperRose · 05/05/2017 08:36

I do not want to give it up because of Nazis.

Nazis?!

Peregrina · 05/05/2017 08:37

Just went down to Greenham and started it, no political party, mandate, nothing just did it.

The first demo I ever went on was anti-apartheid. Apartheid has now (officially) gone, and there wasn't the predicted bloodbath.

Then I too went to visit the Greenham Camp and went on the 'Embrace the Base' women's demonstration in December 1982. The Cruise missiles have gone, Greenham is now a business park with a small Peace Garden to commemorate the activities.

Then a demo about cuts in education in 1992. - They were reversed in 1997 by a Labour landslide.

Sooo - went on the demo on 25th March. Wonderful, peaceful atmosphere. Perhaps in time, we will be successful again.

BiglyBadgers · 05/05/2017 08:38

I feel lucky that dh and I are very much on the same page. He is a much stronger labour supporter than me, but agreed the need to vote lib dem in our area to keep the Tories in check as labour have never had a big following here. We have talked about leaving the country but, like many, it is just not possible for us. Neither of us have a second citizenship or a job that is easily transferable. Neither of us speak another language. I am about to go back to uni to retrain in a highly sought after role, so we have said if things are looking terrible we will consider moving out in 3 years. I would struggle with leaving my widowed dad though. Sad

53rdWay · 05/05/2017 08:40

Yeah, it wasn't Corbyn that lost them Scotland.

Two4One2017 · 05/05/2017 08:46

I've been knocking on doors. Have come across many people who would normally vote Conservative intending to "lend their vote" to the LibDems in the hope this sends a message to TM to wind back in for a soft Brexit. Have also come across solid Tory support and Labour voters intending to switch to the Tories. It all spells doom for Labour and a glimmer of hope for the Lib Dems if they can get their act together that they can be the party of opposition.

HesterThrale · 05/05/2017 08:47

Agree about McDonnell. Just don't like him.

Maybe women are 'the answer'. In the US, just when things are really desperate, I believe well over 10,000 women have put themselves forward to stand for public office.

whatwouldrondo · 05/05/2017 08:49

Flowers to all feeling unsettled and even unwelcome in this country.

DH and I have thankfully felt the same since the referendum result and we have sat in various places in Asia and Australia /New Zealand just before and since, discussing how much more it feels like somewhere we want to be. We simply do not want to live in the country this is becoming, it is not even political really, though that is horrendous. It is just that when you are in countries that are focused and optimistic about the future, and where you can feel there is progress coming back to a country that is intent on becoming more divided and going backwards in the grip of illusions of superiority and entitlement is frankly just depressing. The contrast has been more stark with each trip we have taken, together and separately. We are both British. DH having grown up in a military family is full stand up for the Queen and flag, Jerusalem, a good Saturday is getting wasted after watching England win in the five nations type of British. I am a northerner and proud of it, love the moors and mountains, my dahlias and herbaceous perennials type of British. However everything we valued and could feel proud of about Britain, the tolerance, liberal values, creativity, humour is rapidly being eroded......

whatwouldrondo · 05/05/2017 08:53

I had to go to some back of beyond part of Cambridgeshire yesterday to one of those Science parks. Everywhere I drove there were orange posters........

BiglyBadgers · 05/05/2017 08:53

I do worry that if all the reasonable people jump ship then we are just leaving our country and everyone not lucky enough to have that choice to deal with the horror that is left. I understand it on a personal level, but aren't we just deserting people when they need us most. I do wonder if I could live with that if we left. Knowing I had just walked away rather than fighting Confused

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missmoon · 05/05/2017 08:55

My DH is the same, has his head in the sand. Every now and then he reacts to something in shock, but says that following the news is just too upsetting :(

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