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Westministenders: Up Shit Creek without Wifi.

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RedToothBrush · 29/04/2017 22:12

Theresa May is being held hostage.

There is mounting evidence that all is not as it seems at CCHQ. It makes you don your tin foil hat and ask who is in charge.

Theresa May was a Remainer. She suddenly abandoned that when she became leader. Her proclamation of what would follow next seems directly at odds with her actions. This is not her fault. This is her plea for help and way of telling the outside world that she is a prisoner of Brexit.

At first it seemed like perhaps she had been locked up with Brexiteers for too long. She seemed to be developing a survival strategy which seemed totally irrational to outsiders. The signs of intimidation everywhere though. Instead of criticising those who did this, May joined in with them or was complicit in her silence.

Things are now taking a sinister turn. After repeatedly saying ‘No Election’, May crumbled and called one. She has now not been seen in public since. Instead she is being wheeled out at closed events to the party faithful. They are being dressed as mixing with the people but they are no such thing. The plebs in attendance are set to ‘mute’ or locked out completely.

Behold the coming of the May-Bot. She seeks to ‘prevent tourism’ in Wales. She now no longer knows which town she is currently in. (Much less have a plan for Brexit). She accuses an organisation set up to use its numbers to get better deals, of doing what it is supposed to, except she calls this ‘ganging up’.

May is not transported in a bus. Oh no. Instead she travels by the Bond Villian’s choice of transport; the helicopter.

More worrying still is the mantra ‘Strong and Stable’ repeated as many times as possible. It is almost as if, if she says it enough she might start believing it. She certainly has got her party members brainwashed and acting as if they were Zombies. Who needs ‘Spice’ when you are a Conservative? They ‘Believe’…

The ploy is to hoodwink people into voting for May instead of the Tories. CCHQ have removed Conservative branding from literature and campaigning in the North. The party are still too toxic, but May apparently scores well especially against Corbyn. Ironically however negatively I think of Corbyn he does display something May increasingly seems incapable of: humanity.

Many people might think of May as some sort of dictator figure. Its true. Every vote for her strengthens her hand. But not for Brexit negotiations. Mainly because Brexit is without merit or reward. Not unless you hold power. This is part 2 of the grab for it.

This is May’s power paradox. SHE is not powerful. She isn’t persuasive. She isn’t a healer of divides. She relies on authoritarian measures to get her way. This isn’t a sign of her personal power, but a sign of her personal weakness. She is sly and sneaky in her methods rather than compelling others to come along with her. They are doing so more because they dislike the alternative in Corbyn less.

She is not stable. She has lurched from one drama to the next, and has repeatedly been forced to back down from what she wanted. Nothing says ‘stability’ and ‘good leadership’ like appointing Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary. The lady is not so much for turning and leading, but is already staggering around dizzy whilst blindfolded playing pin the tail on the donkey. And Christ she’s got a lot of them in her Government. Including the numpty who decided to do a live event and broadcast it in an area with no wi-fi. Mind you, that is soon to be the entire country. Or what’s left of it.

She had said she had a mandate for Brexit and did not need this to be approved by the country as she was getting on with the job. This is why we are having a General Election to give her a mandate…

Not only that, but there is a lurking question here that should not be forgotten. Who is pulling May’s strings and making her dance as her actions are not natural? Every puppet show has puppet masters behind the scenes of the stage, hiding in the shadows.

They will dispense with their toy once she has outlived her usefulness like every good baddie.

Is she the one we should be most fearful of?

Hold on tight this is going to be a very bumpy ride over the next two years. Just how many casualties will be sacrificed on the altar of Brexit?

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woman12345 · 04/05/2017 22:30

The chocolate and human rights are much better in Germany, BigChoc our loss their gain.Smile
DH and BIL are entitled to German citizenship, and I think, the DC and I will be too. Crumby choices right now, but I'd take Merkel over May in an instant.
rufus at least you got him out of bed to vote!
NI is definitely an elephant in the roomCalleach1

Peregrina · 04/05/2017 22:30

I was telling this afternoon, and there was a steady flow of people. Not quite as many as for the Referendum, but more than usual for a CC election, I think. I can't be sure, because that was the first time for me at that Polling station.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/05/2017 22:31

rufus "Its a giant bloody X!!!!^ Does not bode well for that childs A levels^" Grin
Regard it as his mocks.

Cailleach1 · 04/05/2017 22:31

Cup: "Off to the count " . Enjoy. I love counts. There is a great air of expectation. You feel you're right in the middle of everything.

Justchanged · 04/05/2017 22:32

Interestingly, Helena Kennedy in the Guardian suggested that there was talk of a special deal for NI where it is in the EEA and the customs border shifts to the Irish Sea. It would make a lot of sense and sounds like by far the best practical solution.

Hard to believe that the DUP would like it, but it would certainly be karma

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/03/theresa-may-cut-and-run-europe-illegal-trade-deal-another-galaxy

BigChocFrenzy · 04/05/2017 22:32

pretty May and the Tories stole the knickers from UKIp and BNP.
Now they don't care about the smelly skid marks

Cailleach1 · 04/05/2017 22:35

"The chocolate and human rights are much better in Germany"

My OH brought me some Lindt from Austria. It tasted better than the Lindt here. I don't know why, but it was definitely better chocolate even if it was the same brand. You can keep Hershey. The very best chocolate I have ever tasted is Neuhaus. I think they are Belgian. They are like little bites of ambrosia.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 04/05/2017 22:36

woman and bigchoc

Grin
BigChocFrenzy · 04/05/2017 22:43

Glad to hear you probably have an escape route to Germany, woman
Do check if you need to apply for any documents / status, in case you want to leave in a hurry.
My username betrays my susceptibility to glorious Lindt Smile but I'll save a bar for you.

Cailleach I'd never heard of Neuhaus. Thank you, I'll carry out research, in the interests of science.

wrt politics, we have 2 excellent choices in Martin Schulz (SPD) and Merkel (CDU)
They are both very decent, but do have policy differences so there is opportunity for a real choice.
Such a difference:
not trying to decide who is the least dreadful, but instead positively choosing who is the better of 2 good leaders.

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2017 22:48

Britain Elects‏*@britainelects*
Swansea Liberal Democrats are talking of a collapse in the Labour vote.

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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 04/05/2017 22:50

Britain Elects‏*@britainelects*
Swansea Liberal Democrats are talking of a collapse in the Labour vote.

Well they would, wouldn't they?

prettybird · 04/05/2017 22:51

Rufus - it is indeed complicated. It's only on this 3rd set of council elections that I think I finally just about understand the STV system (and that includes a presentation on it at a branch party meeting Confused). I think the majority don't fully get it. Confused

I followed the advice in this "Vote until you boak" blog ("boak" means be sick/retch) - which is why I had UKIP 6 (still boaking at the memory), the sitting useless Labour councillor 7 (I put the "new" one at 5 as he had less chance of getting in) and the Tory at 8 (as his election literature said "Send a message on a 2nd referendum" which is not a local council issue So I did Grin)

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2017/04/11/vote-until-you-boak/

Dh pointed out that our 1st 4 choices were Remain parties. Smile

BigChocFrenzy · 04/05/2017 22:51

The UK political scene used to have some excellent, highly capable politicians too Sad

Roy Jenkins, Denis Healey, Richard Crossman, Peter Shore, Robin Cook .....

The Tories had less strength in depth than Labour over that period, but like / loathe them, MrsT and John Major were actually very competent at what they did (well, MrsT until she went power-mad)

Why this dearth of UK political talent in both major parties over at least the last decade ?
(NS is highly competent, although a Marmite politician. However, I'm not sure she counts as Uk)

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2017 22:53

Faisal Islam‏*@faisalislam*

Polls closed - "v close" in W. Midlands where Conservatives put huge effort into -Lab still think can win, its turnout "better than hoped"
Same Labour source claims W Midlands turnout low in more Tory areas such as Solihull/Sutton C ..not counting tonight result 6pm tomorrow

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RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 04/05/2017 22:53

pretty

I bet that poor tory candidate was all 'Sad how did I come after UKIP Sad'

HPFA · 04/05/2017 22:54

I don't know if this will disappear behind paywall but please try as it's fabulous

www.ft.com/content/873f471c-30a8-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a

squoosh · 04/05/2017 22:55

'Ds (age 16) cycled off to vote at 12 and was there and back in 10 minutes shock - including ordering all 8 candidates in his vote.'

Sounds like an organised boy who'd done his research! 🙂

woman12345 · 04/05/2017 22:56

Why this dearth of UK political talent in both major parties over at least the last decade
Vilification of public service, racism, sexism, intellectual inadequacy of ruling classes and corruption.

HesterThrale · 04/05/2017 23:00

Paul Nuttalls of the Ukips on Question Time.
Groan.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 04/05/2017 23:01

Paul Nuttall gearing up to speak on QT was the push I needed to go to bed.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 04/05/2017 23:04

I am watching a horror movie

And not the question time one either Grin

Headfullofdreams · 04/05/2017 23:04

Optional, if it was just me I would be off like a shot, away from this Brexshit. Unfortunately, not so easy to uproot family and teenagers.

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2017 23:06

Alex Cole-Hamilton‏*@agcolehamilton*
Crushingly low turnout in #SNP areas- 22% in Muirhouse W, whilst heavy in LibDem ones 66%-Blackhall. Look for surprises tomorrow #council17

Alex Cole-Hamilton‏- LibDem Member of the Scottish Parliament for Edinburgh Western

Yes, the Lib Dems will over egg it, for spin tonight and tomorrow. But no reason after the polls have closed and before the result in, to actively lie either. They must have a degree of confidence in being loud about how other parties are not doing as well tonight as they would hope.

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HesterThrale · 04/05/2017 23:10

'Theresa May for Britain.'
The London Evening Standard today talks about full page ads for Theresa May in papers in safe Labour seats.

prettybird · 04/05/2017 23:11

Unfortunately, I suspect the wee Tory will get in as to be fair he's been a good local councillor (if somewhat lonely Wink - although maybe because of that). But I'm hopeful that the Green candidate will usurp either him or the sitting useless Labour councillor (and the SNP get the other two seats). I don't think the LibDem (my 4th choice) has a chance.