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Westministenders: Up Shit Creek without Wifi.

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RedToothBrush · 29/04/2017 22:12

Theresa May is being held hostage.

There is mounting evidence that all is not as it seems at CCHQ. It makes you don your tin foil hat and ask who is in charge.

Theresa May was a Remainer. She suddenly abandoned that when she became leader. Her proclamation of what would follow next seems directly at odds with her actions. This is not her fault. This is her plea for help and way of telling the outside world that she is a prisoner of Brexit.

At first it seemed like perhaps she had been locked up with Brexiteers for too long. She seemed to be developing a survival strategy which seemed totally irrational to outsiders. The signs of intimidation everywhere though. Instead of criticising those who did this, May joined in with them or was complicit in her silence.

Things are now taking a sinister turn. After repeatedly saying ‘No Election’, May crumbled and called one. She has now not been seen in public since. Instead she is being wheeled out at closed events to the party faithful. They are being dressed as mixing with the people but they are no such thing. The plebs in attendance are set to ‘mute’ or locked out completely.

Behold the coming of the May-Bot. She seeks to ‘prevent tourism’ in Wales. She now no longer knows which town she is currently in. (Much less have a plan for Brexit). She accuses an organisation set up to use its numbers to get better deals, of doing what it is supposed to, except she calls this ‘ganging up’.

May is not transported in a bus. Oh no. Instead she travels by the Bond Villian’s choice of transport; the helicopter.

More worrying still is the mantra ‘Strong and Stable’ repeated as many times as possible. It is almost as if, if she says it enough she might start believing it. She certainly has got her party members brainwashed and acting as if they were Zombies. Who needs ‘Spice’ when you are a Conservative? They ‘Believe’…

The ploy is to hoodwink people into voting for May instead of the Tories. CCHQ have removed Conservative branding from literature and campaigning in the North. The party are still too toxic, but May apparently scores well especially against Corbyn. Ironically however negatively I think of Corbyn he does display something May increasingly seems incapable of: humanity.

Many people might think of May as some sort of dictator figure. Its true. Every vote for her strengthens her hand. But not for Brexit negotiations. Mainly because Brexit is without merit or reward. Not unless you hold power. This is part 2 of the grab for it.

This is May’s power paradox. SHE is not powerful. She isn’t persuasive. She isn’t a healer of divides. She relies on authoritarian measures to get her way. This isn’t a sign of her personal power, but a sign of her personal weakness. She is sly and sneaky in her methods rather than compelling others to come along with her. They are doing so more because they dislike the alternative in Corbyn less.

She is not stable. She has lurched from one drama to the next, and has repeatedly been forced to back down from what she wanted. Nothing says ‘stability’ and ‘good leadership’ like appointing Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary. The lady is not so much for turning and leading, but is already staggering around dizzy whilst blindfolded playing pin the tail on the donkey. And Christ she’s got a lot of them in her Government. Including the numpty who decided to do a live event and broadcast it in an area with no wi-fi. Mind you, that is soon to be the entire country. Or what’s left of it.

She had said she had a mandate for Brexit and did not need this to be approved by the country as she was getting on with the job. This is why we are having a General Election to give her a mandate…

Not only that, but there is a lurking question here that should not be forgotten. Who is pulling May’s strings and making her dance as her actions are not natural? Every puppet show has puppet masters behind the scenes of the stage, hiding in the shadows.

They will dispense with their toy once she has outlived her usefulness like every good baddie.

Is she the one we should be most fearful of?

Hold on tight this is going to be a very bumpy ride over the next two years. Just how many casualties will be sacrificed on the altar of Brexit?

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HashiAsLarry · 03/05/2017 21:23

There's no helping the deliberately obtuse is there?

Gotta love how transparent that apparently untransparent union is Grin

GaspodeWonderCat · 03/05/2017 21:24

They can't suggest we should be paying towards future pension payments of their employees

You mean like Nigel Farrage, other UK MEPs and British employees of the EU - it is their pension too that needs to be sorted.

The thing with allegories is they are not a perfect fit - read across to the situation of Brexit. So in a divorce each pension gets taken into account. With golf club dues (or gym membership if you prefer) - if you leave before the end of your membership you have to keep paying. Depends on T&Cs - and the law and jurisdiction ...

BiglyBadgers · 03/05/2017 21:26

They can't have it both ways. They can't suggest we should be paying towards future pension payments of their employees for instance - you don't get asked that in a golf club or the NT

Try signing up for a years membership to the National Trust then changing your mind after 3 months and asking for your money back. I think you will find they still expect you to honour the contract you signed with them for the full years payment. We made commitments to pay for certain things while we were a member of the EU, leaving the EU does not automatically make those commitment null and void.

woman12345 · 03/05/2017 21:29

MLP is being intellectually and politically outflanked by Macron right now, but could be that the thugs want idiots in charge. Stupidity is now a valued currency.

herethereandeverywhere · 03/05/2017 21:34

We appear to be getting to a point where TM has gone so wildly Hard-Brexit (and well, a bit nuts judging by today's outburst) that the 48% that she has ignored for most of the year will be actively cheering on the EU position. 'Uniting behind Brexit' we most certainly are not!

woman12345 · 03/05/2017 21:36

For sure herethereandeverywhere, hoping they'll take political exiles. Grin

hilbobaggins · 03/05/2017 21:37

LurkingHusband

I'm going to vote for our excellent local Labour MP who voted against triggering Article 50. I'm also campaigning with the Lib Dems in an adjoining constituency to oust the incumbent Brexiteer.

The last couple of years have transformed my politics.

woman12345 · 03/05/2017 21:38

MLP pledging Frexit ref 10 months into her regime/dictatorship.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/05/2017 21:41

The EU can debate with the Uk for the next 2 years all the fine points about the exit bill

  • they are 27 countries in a bloc, who will still be trading with each other and via the 80 or so trade arrangements they have with countries outside the EU.

However, the UK can't - A50 is on a timer. 23 months from now the Uk is OUT.
That can be with a transitional trade deal, or at Year Zero - i.e. no trade deals with any country in the world and maybe blocked in the WTO

Also, I can't understand why May has wasted so much time when the A50 clock is ticking
She should have coopted experts - Leavers if she wanted, like Digby Jones and Richard North - to handle the negotiations.
Her big ego has led her to think she can lead on something about which she is clearly ignorant

woman12345 · 03/05/2017 21:44

MLP citing Brexit as victory, against Project Fear. She is using word for word arguments against Macron that Brexiteers and Trump supporters use. Interesting in both style and content. She could be May.

www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-03/watch-live-le-pen-debates-macron-key-things-todays-crucial-debate

prettybird · 03/05/2017 21:46

No BigChoc, not a tenth: Scotland could claim 1/4 (or 1/3) of everything by Corcory's logic Wink - 4 countries (or 3 if you don't count NI as a country) in the United Kingdom Grin

Scotland was obviously being far too generous underplaying its hand in its Indy White Paper. Wink Don't think they'd even thought of their share of Buck House Hmm the Royal Family is ours BTW Wink You can keep them Grin

lalalonglegs · 03/05/2017 21:50

I don't know Digby Jones's position but isn't Richard North a Flexiteer and therefore almost as traitorous as your-run-of-the-mill remaining saboteur? I'm horrified by the fact that TM refuses to listen to any misgivings about Brexit but, by this stage, not really surprised. In her case, ignorance really is bliss. I would love to be there when it finally dawns on her what she's taken on.

HashiAsLarry · 03/05/2017 21:53

Isn't Buck Pal gonna cost us a lot to repair soon? Maybe the Scots can have it all Wink
Sorry pretty

BigChocFrenzy · 03/05/2017 22:00

Pretty ¼ Shock Oh, you greedy leftie saboteur ! Angry Not an inch more than 1/10
Although now that Cadbury has been defiled, you can have 100% of those factories and their produce

BigChocFrenzy · 03/05/2017 22:06

btw, UKIP may have left it too late to reveal their latest election winning policy:
Just announced they promise to cut the UK’s foreign aid contribution by nearly £10bn per year - from 0.7% of national income to 0.2%.

That would have gone down well with many Brexit voters, but May has already outflanked UKIP.
Her latest diatribe should surely bury them

whatwouldrondo · 03/05/2017 22:07

Corcory I do not think you get the point, it is neither a divorce or a golf club or even the National Trust or any other club or community or even share scheme I have ever been part of, or even indeed property investment I may have just got excited at the possibilities, which column of the British Museum is mine? . It is an enormously complicated legal entity covered by innumerable agreements that have built up to cover an enormously complex and intertwined relationship over 40 years .

We are already viewed as pretty dodgy by the rest of the world as a result of past illusions of superiority and this latest apparent manifestation. No body will trust a country that walks away not just from its community but all the legal and other agreements it has with that community.

whatwouldrondo · 03/05/2017 22:14

As a fully paid up member of the 48 I am of course hoping that the UK honours its agreements and committments but please can we renege on the agreement to fund the pension of any MEP advocating we shouldn't?

prettybird · 03/05/2017 22:22

No, no, no..... you can have Buck House and the Palace of Westminster. Grin

As long as we can leave before the refurbishments start

As it is, we'll be paying our share of the repairs as they are considered National Assets. in the same way that we are contributing towards HS2 even though it comes nowhere near Scotland Hmm

JamieXeed74 · 03/05/2017 22:22

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Westministenders: Up Shit Creek without Wifi.
BigChocFrenzy · 03/05/2017 22:28

Leaver Richard North

(How I wish May had put him in charge of Brexit !
He has the detailed knowledge necessary to get the best possible deal)

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86462

"When it comes to a confrontation, though, this is a contest that the UK cannot win.

... the initiative is with the EU. All their negotiators have to do is sit tight and do nothing, allowing the UK to expend its energies on fruitless posturing.

All the while, the clock ticks and the countdown continues.

The UK is the petitioner here and will eventually have to come to the table and make concessions in order to get a deal.

"For Mrs May now to ramp up the tension, therefore, does not seem to be the brightest of strategies.
She is already set to win the election by a handsome margin so has nothing to gain electorally by taking a hard line at this stage."

"Under normal circumstances, where trust and mutual respect are normally considered essential, there seems no logic in Mrs May going out of her way to antagonise partners prior these sensitive and complex negotiations.

Far from being "bloody difficult", it strikes me she is being "bloody stupid".

"Whatever she thinks she might be achieving, there is building a degree of instability here that cannot be sustained.

If someone does not defuse the tension, then there is a chance of an irreconcilable breakdown, leading precisely to the failure which Juncker has been predicting."

"Mrs May's behaviour does not seem rational – not by any measure that we would rely on.

That leads us to the worrying conclusion that the "colleagues" really have correctly assessed her – that she really is in another galaxy"

The only other conclusion we might come to is that Mrs May herself is confronting the futility of her own position
– seeking a free trade agreement that, even if delivered, will not produce the results she wants of the UK needs.

That leaves her with the stratagem of blame displacement,
seeking to position the intractable, and "unreasonable" EU as the cause of the coming failure.

That may play well to her tethered vote,
but the economic and political consequences are likely to be dire – and uncontrollable."

Headfullofdreams · 03/05/2017 22:29

Hilbo, completely agree. I was never massively interested in Politics I am ashamed to admit, but am now a changed woman after Brexit. I was centre right pre Brexit. The further right the nazi party go, the more of a leftie I become. Joined the Lib dems the other day but am going to tactical vote Labour to try and get rid of our awful Tory MP who only beat the labour MP by 378 votes last time.
I am so ashamed to be British, I wish I was German.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 03/05/2017 22:35

Although now that Cadbury has been defiled, you can have 100% of those factories and their produce

Aren't all of our Cadbury factories now in American hands? Shame, as it would have been good to jettison the new crappy chocolate. So sad we are leaving the EU - they know how to do chocolate properly.

woman12345 · 03/05/2017 22:36

Macron verdict on Le Pen, should be Corbyn's verdict on May

"You are not up to this job. The country deserves better than this. You insult judges, you threaten journalists" ...

"She says her France is a nation, with a people, a culture. France has been in chaos, it is time to restore order".

Sounds familiar?

They have their orders.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/05/2017 22:40

Richard North's analysis yesterday of the infamous dinner was insightful :

www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86461

"May's approach is actually quite typical of the Tory grandee treatment of politics – where they seek to dominate a conversation by focusing on generalities and avoiding detail.
By sticking to les grandes lignes, they retain control and stay within their comfort zones."

"Once forced to address the detail, though, it seems that May's ignorance and her almost total failure to grasp the practicalities soon became evident."

"But UK prime ministers don't do detail.
They waft about, demanding that complex issues be reduced to one side of one sheet of paper, preferably with bullet points, and are then caught out because, outside No 10 and the Westminster bubble, the world isn't a simple place."

BlueEyeshadow · 03/05/2017 22:44

County Council elections here tomorrow which I'd almost forgotten about amid the national shenanigans... Must remember to go and protest vote.