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Westministenders: Up Shit Creek without Wifi.

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RedToothBrush · 29/04/2017 22:12

Theresa May is being held hostage.

There is mounting evidence that all is not as it seems at CCHQ. It makes you don your tin foil hat and ask who is in charge.

Theresa May was a Remainer. She suddenly abandoned that when she became leader. Her proclamation of what would follow next seems directly at odds with her actions. This is not her fault. This is her plea for help and way of telling the outside world that she is a prisoner of Brexit.

At first it seemed like perhaps she had been locked up with Brexiteers for too long. She seemed to be developing a survival strategy which seemed totally irrational to outsiders. The signs of intimidation everywhere though. Instead of criticising those who did this, May joined in with them or was complicit in her silence.

Things are now taking a sinister turn. After repeatedly saying ‘No Election’, May crumbled and called one. She has now not been seen in public since. Instead she is being wheeled out at closed events to the party faithful. They are being dressed as mixing with the people but they are no such thing. The plebs in attendance are set to ‘mute’ or locked out completely.

Behold the coming of the May-Bot. She seeks to ‘prevent tourism’ in Wales. She now no longer knows which town she is currently in. (Much less have a plan for Brexit). She accuses an organisation set up to use its numbers to get better deals, of doing what it is supposed to, except she calls this ‘ganging up’.

May is not transported in a bus. Oh no. Instead she travels by the Bond Villian’s choice of transport; the helicopter.

More worrying still is the mantra ‘Strong and Stable’ repeated as many times as possible. It is almost as if, if she says it enough she might start believing it. She certainly has got her party members brainwashed and acting as if they were Zombies. Who needs ‘Spice’ when you are a Conservative? They ‘Believe’…

The ploy is to hoodwink people into voting for May instead of the Tories. CCHQ have removed Conservative branding from literature and campaigning in the North. The party are still too toxic, but May apparently scores well especially against Corbyn. Ironically however negatively I think of Corbyn he does display something May increasingly seems incapable of: humanity.

Many people might think of May as some sort of dictator figure. Its true. Every vote for her strengthens her hand. But not for Brexit negotiations. Mainly because Brexit is without merit or reward. Not unless you hold power. This is part 2 of the grab for it.

This is May’s power paradox. SHE is not powerful. She isn’t persuasive. She isn’t a healer of divides. She relies on authoritarian measures to get her way. This isn’t a sign of her personal power, but a sign of her personal weakness. She is sly and sneaky in her methods rather than compelling others to come along with her. They are doing so more because they dislike the alternative in Corbyn less.

She is not stable. She has lurched from one drama to the next, and has repeatedly been forced to back down from what she wanted. Nothing says ‘stability’ and ‘good leadership’ like appointing Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary. The lady is not so much for turning and leading, but is already staggering around dizzy whilst blindfolded playing pin the tail on the donkey. And Christ she’s got a lot of them in her Government. Including the numpty who decided to do a live event and broadcast it in an area with no wi-fi. Mind you, that is soon to be the entire country. Or what’s left of it.

She had said she had a mandate for Brexit and did not need this to be approved by the country as she was getting on with the job. This is why we are having a General Election to give her a mandate…

Not only that, but there is a lurking question here that should not be forgotten. Who is pulling May’s strings and making her dance as her actions are not natural? Every puppet show has puppet masters behind the scenes of the stage, hiding in the shadows.

They will dispense with their toy once she has outlived her usefulness like every good baddie.

Is she the one we should be most fearful of?

Hold on tight this is going to be a very bumpy ride over the next two years. Just how many casualties will be sacrificed on the altar of Brexit?

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Badders123 · 02/05/2017 07:28

Well I'm going to hold my nose and vote labour
Dh may do - but ATM he is thinking lib dem
It's terrifying
Just terrifying what's happening to my country

Motheroffourdragons · 02/05/2017 07:29

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prettybird · 02/05/2017 08:04

Woke up this morning to the BBC Radio 2 news leading on "Sources in the EU backing up to the BBC the FAZ's version of the Juncker meeting - that the UK is on a different wavelength"

Doesn't seem to be on the BBC News website as an item but is in a more detailed article.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39775102

Has the corner finally turned?

Has the BBC finally caught up with what we have been saying for 10 months?

How soon will it be before they are brought back in line on message? Wink

Peregrina · 02/05/2017 08:06

I have a relative who has been staunchly Labour for years. He doesn't know how to vote because he doesn't like Corbyn. Yet he used to work in health care until made redundant, recently! Why, oh why, do people not make the connections?

lalalonglegs · 02/05/2017 08:11

Can you play him recordings of the results of the US elections coming through on a loop? All those Democrats who were too ideologically pure to vote for Clinton and ended up with their - and the world's - worst nightmare...

Motheroffourdragons · 02/05/2017 08:12

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RedToothBrush · 02/05/2017 08:43

order-order.com/2017/05/02/cchq-rows-with-associations-over-female-candidates/

CCHQ is embroiled in a number of nasty spats with Tory associations after imposing female candidates on seats across Wales.

CCHQ has ignored them and pressed ahead with Robson as the candidate, in response some Bridgend Tory councillors are threatening to go independent

Math I'd come to that conclusion some time ago. It was obvious when the 'No deal is better than a bad deal' shit started. People who will be unaffected by crashing out are the ones driving it. It's the Give burn down the building and start over mentally. It won't work. Mainly because we'll have food riots first. It will get that bad. I'm afraid my imagination over a worse case scenario is getting pretty dark.

CCHQ is imposing things on its local party members. They are selecting people who will do things they want and won't argue too much. This is creating more disquiet than perhaps is being reported nationally.

m.facebook.com/pestonitv/posts/1838418133149590
Preston on the FAZ row.

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RedToothBrush · 02/05/2017 08:51

Alex Spence‏ @alexGspence
This is how David Davis is viewed in Brussels, according to @PoliticoRyan

Westministenders: Up Shit Creek without Wifi.
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woman12345 · 02/05/2017 08:52

All those Democrats who were too ideologically pure to vote for Clinton and ended up with their - and the world's - worst nightmare...

Absolutely.

mother Der Spiegel on that story, posted earlier:

@HuwSayer 7h7 hours ago
#EU thinks #UK will threaten important projects to gain leverage in #Brexit negotiations reports

www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/brexit-grossbritannien-blockiert-ueberpruefung-der-mittelfristigen-haushaltsplanung-a-1145441.html

PolynesianGirl · 02/05/2017 08:54

math I agree with you. Nothing in TM behaviour shows any interest in Brexit as such.

In the mean time...
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/awkward-buried-election_uk_59066d4be4b02655f83e5edd
Let's not forget all the things that have been buried underneath the call for the election. The NHS and the funding of the last GE being the two biggest ones IMO.

Badders123 · 02/05/2017 08:57

twitter.com/jonsnowc4/status/859135314316623872

woman12345 · 02/05/2017 09:05

Wish Anthony Joshua would do a remain event, Badders He's from a labour/lib dem party area in Watford.

prettybird · 02/05/2017 09:14

From Badders' link

"If this reads like an attempt to blame the public for the debasement of political communication into disembodied catchphrases, it is."

....and

"Britain has an undistinguished cabinet and a worse shadow cabinet"

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LurkingHusband · 02/05/2017 09:20

"Britain has an undistinguished cabinet and a worse shadow cabinet"

Almost Churchillian Grin

Theresa May is a modest lady with much to be modest about ...

If you have a yen for a laugh ...

www.insults.net/html/political/winstonchurchill.html

HashiAsLarry · 02/05/2017 09:29

And yet, if I've read between the lines correctly, there are people who are refusing to vote for the 2nd place candidate who might unseat their Tory MP because Corbyn or because tuition fees. Both of which are at least in principle reversible and short term in their impact relative to Brexit.

Sadly the second place candidate round my way, and the only one who's remotely dented my MP, is UKIP. I won't hold my nose and vote for them Wink. However though I know I won't unseat my MP I will make a mark against him by voting, and know my vote will help alter the broadcasting balance.

TBF though, if there was any chance a not right wing party could unseat him, I'd vote for them without a second thought right now.

LurkingHusband · 02/05/2017 09:44

And yet, if I've read between the lines correctly, there are people who are refusing to vote for the 2nd place candidate who might unseat their Tory MP because Corbyn or because tuition fees. Both of which are at least in principle reversible and short term in their impact relative to Brexit.

So - making Brexit the centrepoint - why get a Labour representative who will support Brexit ?

RedToothBrush · 02/05/2017 10:05

Faisal Islam‏*@faisalislam*

PM in S. West, campaigning in area that gave Conservatives their majority in first place - the intensive focussed campaign in Lib seats 2015. In Western Morning Press PM says she will "earn every vote" and "put old divisions behind us" by "moving beyond" language of Leave & Remain
PM: "voters here [in SW, 2015] were the difference between a strong, majority government & weak, unstable coalition of Labour, LDs and SNP"
It was here in SW Tory campaign rightly recognised that a structural collapse in LibD vote, post coalition had put many seats in play collapsed anti-Tory coalition of voters in the SW who had voted LibDem, led to huge swings away from them, Cons overturned huge majorities. Cons helped in 2015 by repeated visits over 2 yrs, new roads, rail repairs, microtargeted reassurance messages, & anti-SNP squeeze v LD. The 2017 equivalent of 2015's collapse in the LD vote, is the polls suggesting a structural flow of half -two thirds of UKIP to Mrs May. That is 2-3 million votes changing columns, if those polls right, & remember UKIP wont stand against some Tory Brexiteers.
That explains the vast bulk of the spike in Tory support above 45% but it is quite recent, really happening since around article 50 if correct, it could have huge impact on marginals - just halve ukip vote and add to Tory column for clue. (course it wont be uniform)
Question is, can she keep both blocks on Jun 8: voters who delivered 2015 majority, & the new post Brexit supporters who were ukip 2015

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RedToothBrush · 02/05/2017 10:29

Not just one but two threads currently running in 'trending' about how much of a car crash Dianne Abbot has had today....

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RhuBarbarella · 02/05/2017 10:33

(a bit long but a fascinating read on Cambridge Analytica and propaganda or “a behavioral approach to persuasive communication with quantifiable results.” www.nybooks.com/articles/2017/04/20/kahneman-tversky-invisible-mind-manipulators/
I know it's not quite relevant in this point in the thread but it's too good not to share)

RedToothBrush · 02/05/2017 10:39

www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/labour-is-investigating-whether-an-election-candidate?utm_term=.ncKg6pZlr#.bdqlVMe2k
Labour Is Investigating Whether An Election Candidate Called For The Eradication Of Islam On Twitter
Trevor Merralls, the party's candidate in Old Bexley and Sidcup, has been linked to a black cab taxi account which posted repeating anti-Islam statements.

This is James Brokenshire's seat. He will win by a landslide.

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RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 02/05/2017 10:48

UKIP came second where i live Sad

I am not sure if they even have anyone standing this year...tory safe seat

HashiAsLarry · 02/05/2017 11:23

I saw about Abbott earlier and was thinking she just meant the recruitment process right? RIGHT????? Oh god, no she didn't. Wtaf???🙈

RedToothBrush · 02/05/2017 12:05

Theresa May live from Cornwall

m.cornwalllive.com/prime-minister-theresa-may-visits-cornwall-ahead-of-general-election/story-30306323-detail/story.html
Live blog.

Gems include:
(Photo of locked door)
A reminder that this is what our reporters saw for much of Theresa May's visit.

Media were locked in a room and banned from filming.

We'll bring you more on what it was like on this trip later.

Gareth Davies @ Gareth_Davies09
Press allowed to ask two questions and were not allowed to film May giving her answer, says @CornwallLive

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LurkingHusband · 02/05/2017 12:07

Looks like Theresa is trying to develop a cult of anti-personality ...