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Westministenders: Up Shit Creek without Wifi.

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RedToothBrush · 29/04/2017 22:12

Theresa May is being held hostage.

There is mounting evidence that all is not as it seems at CCHQ. It makes you don your tin foil hat and ask who is in charge.

Theresa May was a Remainer. She suddenly abandoned that when she became leader. Her proclamation of what would follow next seems directly at odds with her actions. This is not her fault. This is her plea for help and way of telling the outside world that she is a prisoner of Brexit.

At first it seemed like perhaps she had been locked up with Brexiteers for too long. She seemed to be developing a survival strategy which seemed totally irrational to outsiders. The signs of intimidation everywhere though. Instead of criticising those who did this, May joined in with them or was complicit in her silence.

Things are now taking a sinister turn. After repeatedly saying ‘No Election’, May crumbled and called one. She has now not been seen in public since. Instead she is being wheeled out at closed events to the party faithful. They are being dressed as mixing with the people but they are no such thing. The plebs in attendance are set to ‘mute’ or locked out completely.

Behold the coming of the May-Bot. She seeks to ‘prevent tourism’ in Wales. She now no longer knows which town she is currently in. (Much less have a plan for Brexit). She accuses an organisation set up to use its numbers to get better deals, of doing what it is supposed to, except she calls this ‘ganging up’.

May is not transported in a bus. Oh no. Instead she travels by the Bond Villian’s choice of transport; the helicopter.

More worrying still is the mantra ‘Strong and Stable’ repeated as many times as possible. It is almost as if, if she says it enough she might start believing it. She certainly has got her party members brainwashed and acting as if they were Zombies. Who needs ‘Spice’ when you are a Conservative? They ‘Believe’…

The ploy is to hoodwink people into voting for May instead of the Tories. CCHQ have removed Conservative branding from literature and campaigning in the North. The party are still too toxic, but May apparently scores well especially against Corbyn. Ironically however negatively I think of Corbyn he does display something May increasingly seems incapable of: humanity.

Many people might think of May as some sort of dictator figure. Its true. Every vote for her strengthens her hand. But not for Brexit negotiations. Mainly because Brexit is without merit or reward. Not unless you hold power. This is part 2 of the grab for it.

This is May’s power paradox. SHE is not powerful. She isn’t persuasive. She isn’t a healer of divides. She relies on authoritarian measures to get her way. This isn’t a sign of her personal power, but a sign of her personal weakness. She is sly and sneaky in her methods rather than compelling others to come along with her. They are doing so more because they dislike the alternative in Corbyn less.

She is not stable. She has lurched from one drama to the next, and has repeatedly been forced to back down from what she wanted. Nothing says ‘stability’ and ‘good leadership’ like appointing Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary. The lady is not so much for turning and leading, but is already staggering around dizzy whilst blindfolded playing pin the tail on the donkey. And Christ she’s got a lot of them in her Government. Including the numpty who decided to do a live event and broadcast it in an area with no wi-fi. Mind you, that is soon to be the entire country. Or what’s left of it.

She had said she had a mandate for Brexit and did not need this to be approved by the country as she was getting on with the job. This is why we are having a General Election to give her a mandate…

Not only that, but there is a lurking question here that should not be forgotten. Who is pulling May’s strings and making her dance as her actions are not natural? Every puppet show has puppet masters behind the scenes of the stage, hiding in the shadows.

They will dispense with their toy once she has outlived her usefulness like every good baddie.

Is she the one we should be most fearful of?

Hold on tight this is going to be a very bumpy ride over the next two years. Just how many casualties will be sacrificed on the altar of Brexit?

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PattyPenguin · 01/05/2017 19:45

I don't think there will anything but meaningless soundbites in the Tory manifesto, on the basis of e.g. the Brexit white paper. So there won't be anything for the Kremlinologists to scry. This will be lauded as excellent poker playing on TM's part by the Brexiters, of course.

Peregrina · 01/05/2017 19:51

Homelessness isn't just Manchester. The huge increase has been remarked upon in Oxford too.

prettybird · 01/05/2017 19:53

Not sure if this has been posted yet about how May's lead is already diminishing and that the long campaign might work against her and that people will see through her "strong mandate for Brexit" gambit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-general-election-jeremy-corbyn-tim-farron-campaigns-a7711501.html?cmpid=facebook-post

I particularly liked this quote:

"Corbyn, such has been the media vilification of him, only has to be able to string a sentence together and walk and talk at the same time to exceed expectations" Grin

woman12345 · 01/05/2017 19:59

Thanks for the Mason article, Hester it makes a nice book end with the Zoe Williams one earlier and Blair's intimations. (think he was hoping some one else would step in)

The media implications of the Juncker story are funny. That we'll get straight news either from reputable twitter accounts, EU broadsheets or here! So far, they're claiming it play well for her. Starmer's comment was 'There's no point in being strong if you're wrong.'

This dreadful spice stuff, red and its effects on homeless users in north west particularly, has been in the news a lot recently.
May seems to have a "The rich man in his castle, The poor man at his gate, God made them, high or lowly, And ordered their estate"
approach to poverty.

For light relief, an article about the music of 1997 and Cool Brittania.
May 1st 1997 , different times.
www.newstatesman.com/1997/2017/05/cool-britannia-where-did-it-all-go-wrong

RedToothBrush · 01/05/2017 20:22

Peregina, it doesn't surprise me. I think its particularly in my mind because of what we witnessed on Saturday.

My BIL works in central Manchester atm, and the stories he has about spice users are really troubling. Whilst we didn't see any 'zombies' ourselves we heard several people asking for dealers. It was very, very, open, in the middle of the day in the middle of the city centre. We also saw numerous people giving food to them, to an extent I've not seen before. The reaction they got was not exactly grateful as they clearly wanted money instead.

The general atmosphere was not at all pleasant. It has to be damaging to the city. As I say, I've never seen it like this. Saying this is not something that suddenly just appeared is utter bullshit.

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woman12345 · 01/05/2017 20:41

This has appeared on the official UK government and parliament site.

Is this legal/ethical/constitutional to argue against police protection for ex PM?

And it's on the official UK government and parliament site.

Is it fake, I don't know how one would check.

"He needs to be stopped." Hmm

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/186047
Petition

"Cut all public funding to Tony Blair - This to include protection & expenses

Tony Blair is costing the taxpayer millions of pounds a year in police protection, as well as blurring the line between his work and his business interests. Tony is too vocal trying to split this country asking for EU remainers to rise up against democracy, he needs to be stopped".

prettybird · 01/05/2017 20:50

At least that petition will be killed (along with all the others, including the anti family cap/rape clause one Angry) on 3 May woman.

But like you, I am surprised that it got approved in the first place. Hmm

HesterThrale · 01/05/2017 20:51

That seems a bit odd woman, but it won't go anywhere as all Gov petitions are being cancelled in 24 hours. Although I suppose they might still be responding to petitions that have over 10,000 signatures?

BiglyBadgers · 01/05/2017 20:51

I live in a very affluent small city. When I came here 10 years ago there were a small number of homeless people. Such a small number that everyone knew their names, one is immortalised in literature. Over the past few years the number of homeless has risen hugely. It is very noticeable.

It is also noticeable that the profile of those homeless people is also shifting, so that it seems to be less overwhelmingly people with mental health problems and addiction issues. The fact is house prices round here have shot up astronomically and renting is no better. The largest local employers are the NHS and local government, both of which are cutting jobs at an alarming rate (a large proportion of people who live here commute to london). Suddenly it feels like it would not take a huge leap for a person to find themselves on the streets.

It is easy for many people round here who live in their naice houses and commute to london for their well paid jobs in the city to refuse to see this happening. It does not fit with the leafy lifestyle they bought for themselves when they moved here from the city. It breaks my heart though. Sad

HesterThrale · 01/05/2017 20:52

Crosspost pretty!

borntobequiet · 01/05/2017 20:55

I work in a large SW city, the increase in homelessness/rough sleeping has been very noticeable over the last year. The area I work in has been massively regenerated over the last 5 years or so, a huge improvement, I wonder how much longer it can be sustained. Feel sorry for new businesses setting up at present.

borntobequiet · 01/05/2017 21:01

Actually more a medium sized city. So, who cares? It's Gloucester.

missmoon · 01/05/2017 21:04

There's been a huge increase in homelessness in Cambridge too, especially in the last two years.

HesterThrale · 01/05/2017 21:07

Russell Brand has decided we should vote this time, and is encouraging students to register. Also recommending a tactical voting site.
It would be brilliant if huge swathes of young folk did vote. I wonder if students will be in that limbo time of being between Uni and home though...

m.youtube.com/watch?v=lsEEoqNk700

BiglyBadgers · 01/05/2017 21:14

Here are the figures from Crises on estimates for number of homeless.

Government street counts and estimates give a snapshot of the national situation. The latest figures showed that 4,134 people slept rough across England on any given night in 2016 - a 16% increase compared to the previous year, and more than double the amount in 2010.

Last year 57, 740 households were accepted as homeless in England. In Scotland, 28,226 applications were assessed as homeless and in Wales 7,128 households were threatened with homelessness.

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Bolshybookworm · 01/05/2017 21:14

I remember the homeless on the streets of Gloucester in the 80s, born. The tories have form for this Sad.

I will never understand why they are trusted in government tbh. Even if you don't believe in the NHS, free education and everything else that makes for a decent society, do you really want to go back to the days of our city centres being tatty, neglected hell holes full of people that can't afford a place to live in them?

woman12345 · 01/05/2017 21:15

Some one's worried about Blair, Hester Smile

During Blair's 3 terms absolute( too modest a decline), child and pensioner poverty were diminished radically:
fullfact.org/economy/poverty-uk-guide-facts-and-figures/

Child poverty is on the rise again now.

The homelessness epidemic is obviously due to what they've done over the last 7 years.

BestIsWest · 01/05/2017 21:19

We were in Gloucester last year and were shocked at the amount of homeless people we saw. I work in Cardiff and that is pretty bad too, has definitely got much worse.

NotDavidTennant · 01/05/2017 21:20

It was quite noticeable how much rough sleeping and begging declined after Labour took power in 97. Where I live it's been equally noticeable that they have become a lot more common again over the last few years.

woman12345 · 01/05/2017 21:24

Tories double homeless in England since Labour government. Thanks for the stats Bigly

ShiningArmour · 01/05/2017 21:28

Bloody hell, it's all so depressing Sad

NinonDeLenclos · 01/05/2017 21:47

FT article - Brussels up for shifting clearing asap.

Will fetch.

NinonDeLenclos · 01/05/2017 21:53

Quoting the whole thing for peeps without subscription as this is important:

Brussels is rushing out proposals to impose EU control on the City of London’s lucrative euro-clearing market, forcing UK operators to either relocate or be policed by European authorities.

In a provocative regulatory salvo fired as Brexit talks begin, the European Commission is preparing to issue legislative proposals in June that would heavily restrict London’s ability to host one of its
flagship financial businesses.

The powerplay by the commission will be a setback for London, which fought hard for six years to fend off French-led attempts to relocate euro clearing to the single-currency area. Although French and German finance ministers have warned that Brexit makes London’s euro-clearing dominance unsustainable, this hasty intervention goes further, threatening a legal fait accompli to enshrine location restrictions even before Britain leaves the bloc.

A draft commission policy communication, seen by the Financial Times ahead of its publication on Thursday, supports “more centralisation of supervision” of clearing houses across the bloc if they provide “critical capital market functions” of systemic importance for the EU.

It notes that Britain’s exit will have a “significant impact” on oversight arrangements because it will play an outsized role in capital markets beyond the EU’s regulatory regime. London processes up to three-quarters of global euro-denominated derivatives, clearing a notional €850bn a day.

For non-EU operators “specific arrangements based on objective criteria will be necessary to ensure that, where CCPs [central clearing counterparties] play a key systemic role for EU financial markets . . . they are subject to safeguards provided by the EU legal framework,” the paper states. “This includes, where necessary, direct supervision at EU level [and/or] location requirements.”

Clearing houses such as Deutsche Börse’s Eurex and LCH, which is controlled by the London Stock Exchange, are crucial parts of the financial system, standing in the middle of trades between buyers and sellers and managing the situation when a counterparty defaults.

British ministers see warnings to relocate clearing as impractical, economically unwise, and only likely to boost New York as a financial centre. Philip Hammond, UK chancellor, has warned that it would be at a “huge cost” to the European economy. Some senior EU officials, by contrast, see no point in “wasting time” on unrealistic ideas in Brexit talks.

They intend the proposal to send a strong early signal so the City can prepare and move operations to the EU as needed. There is lively debate in Brussels over the proposal due in June and the precise way to hand powers over clearing supervision to central banks and the European Securities and Markets Authority, the EU markets watchdog.

Officials are considering a system of thresholds to determine if a non-EU clearing house should face increased European oversight or other measures, according to people familiar with the debate. This could allow current EU-US agreements to remain unscathed, if transatlantic activity does not change significantly. Clearing houses handling bigger volumes of EU business would at a minimum be subject to more intrusive EU supervision, including access to data so that European authorities can monitor risk. This may cover smaller operators in London.

Most controversially, the commission is weighing whether to set conditions that would automatically require LCH.Clearnet, the biggest London-based clearing house, to relocate operations if it wants to handle the same level of euro-denominated trading.

A report by EY late last year estimated that there could be 83,000 related job losses in London over the next seven years if euro clearing was forced out of the City. A less stringent alternative is to make this formal “location policy” mandatory only if the UK is unwilling to accept EU regulatory conditions, such as acceptance of its rule book and extraterritorial oversight.

Jon Cunliffe, the Bank of England’s deputy governor, has said that attempts to repatriate clearing would amount to “currency nationalism” that could fragment capital markets. Still, he said that the bank supported increased international co-operation to supervise clearing, an idea that opens the door to closer EU-UK co-operation post-Brexit to oversee platforms.

Some EU officials think the UK would struggle to resist such a system as US regulators already wield some oversight powers in London.

The June proposals means the commission will have put forward two rounds of changes to EU rules on derivatives trading within three months. Valdis Dombrovskis, the commission vice-president overseeing financial regulation, will also propose targeted changes to EU regulations on swaps trading, including time-sensitive tweaks to prevent collateral rules from harming the pension-fund industry. This allows the June proposal to focus on the implications of Brexit.

woman12345 · 01/05/2017 21:57

Labour decided to make things a bit better: tax credits, minimum wage, increased funding for NHS and schools, free fruit for school kids, family centre, children's centres, devolved govts, GFA, rights for domestic abuse survivors, Mac Pherson report etc etc.

Thatch didn't get hauled up as war criminal for Falklands or NI and neither did the 412 MPs including May who voted for Iraq war.

Blair on Brexit:

"The ex-Labour leader said that while the final exit deal had yet to be agreed, the perils of a hard Brexit were clear. “The single market put us in the Champions League of trading agreements. A free-trade agreement is like League One. We are relegating ourselves.”

“It can be stopped if the British people decide that, having seen what it means, the pain-gain cost-benefit analysis doesn’t stack up. I’m not saying it will [be stopped], by the way, but it could.”

He's also timing his intervention very carefully, I think.

HashiAsLarry · 01/05/2017 21:59

We had a local homeless guy who everyone knew and a few well known drunks we'd find on the streets. A few years ago we got a few extra homeless. Now there's loads of them. Its awful.

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