Remainers - What do you want? When do you want it?

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We had the referendum, we had the legal challenge, we had the Supreme Court ruling, Article 50 has been triggered. The United Kingdom will no longer be part of the European Union.

So my questions to Remainers are
What do you want? When do you want it?

Here's what I want..

I want the negotiations to go well. I want future relations with our neighbours to be cordial. I want a good deal for UK and the EU. I want us to walk away if their demands are unacceptable (and stem from vindictiveness and to deter other members from following our lead). I want the UK to be free to make good trade deals with any country it wants. I want the UK to lead in creating a new model of trade without excessive interference in each partner's social and political arena.

bbc report on the woeful state of social care in England today. About 100,000 EU Nationals now work in the sector (up 40% over last 3 years) but against this over 330,000 workers (about 30% of the 1.3 million workforce) left the sector last year.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39507859

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/25/brexit-fears-eu-nationals-working-social-care-theresa-may-sarah-wollaston

EU workers are neither the cause nor the solution to the problem.

The fact we had to beg workers from the "colonies" in the 50s and 60s to come here and work seems to pass most brexiters by...
I really think some of them have never had access to a history book - or at least not one that portrays the uk as anything other than a glorious empire...
In fact, haven't most of the Tory party now admitted we will have to keep FOM?
What a bloody mess.
All because of a spat amongst Tory right wingers....

Luckily the local nursing home to me is mostly staffed by non EU immigrants so that shouldn't be affected too much.
I think many will simply have to close though

Badders, I've done similar to you (but not care work); I did some really shitty jobs over the years, from aged 14 until I joined the RAF at 20. Even in the RAF as an aircraft engineer I still had to do cleaning roles (including domestic areas & toilets, as well as empty & clean shitty slop buckets on hercs at one point).

Those non/low skilled entry-level jobs were what we all did as teens and obvs there were folk that did that through their lives too.
My nearly 15 yr old is gagging to get a part time, out of school hours job, and he'd do anything - unfortunately the employers round here tend not to take under 16s now, and the jobs in hospitality etc are filled with EU migrants.
And who can blame the employers really? If offered an older, bilingual, trained person who can work any & all hours or a school kid with no previous experience, who is subject to all sorts of working hours restrictions, of course they pick the former.

(Fwiw, I'm not 'blaming' migrants - I'm just pointing out why there aren't those job opportunities anymore).

unfortunately the employers round here tend not to take under 16s now

Unfortunately?

And who can blame the employers really? It's not about blame, it's about regulation. Which is the government's job.

We have an extremely low level of unemployment. Much lower than that and we will ne in the position of Japan where they struggle to fill position because there just isn't enough workers.

There are 1.6 millions unemployed people in the uk currently.
If 3 millions people are leaving and assuming they can all do the jobs that eu migrants are doing, this would leave 1.5 millions jobs with no one to take them.

For me this screams the fact that the UK really really need immigrants to be able to cope.

Under 16s aren't going to get jobs in hospitality because of the regulations regarding their employment. For a start they can only work a limited number of hours a week, insuring them costs more, and there are a limited number of tasks that they can do.

Even without EU immigration your 15 year old probably wouldn't be getting a job in hospitality.

Hmmmm
It's not really like that where I live...
There have been pt jobs advertised in my local co op for weeks. The manager there actively prefers students as they have no family commitments and can come in at short notice. (I used to work there and the overtime was always taken by the students as they got to see the OT sheet first!)
The huge m and s warehouse here and is mostly staffed with young EU nationals.
Lots of locals started but there when it opened but they all either left or got sacked.
A major thing that worries me is the protection for workers rights after brexit.
I can foresee an American system of no paid sick/maternity/paternity leave tbh
I feel very very depressed about everything ATM really 😞

Don't most uni students have part time jobs?

15 year olds can get paper rounds or wash neighbours cars. The migrants haven't took all those jobs have they?

Semi...It's illeagal to employ under 16s as far as I know?
And I'm glad.
I worked 8 hours on a Saturday for an old bitch who owned a guest house.
I worked like a dog for the princely sum of £5
I'm very happy that can't happen now!!
Blue...of course we need immigrants...don't all successful economies rely on immigration?

*Under 16s aren't going to get jobs in hospitality because of the regulations regarding their employment. For a start they can only work a limited number of hours a week, insuring them costs more, and there are a limited number of tasks that they can do.

Even without EU immigration your 15 year old probably wouldn't be getting a job in hospitality.*

Yes, that was my point.

The regulations are far too draconian.

Draconian?
Please see my last post!
It's not draconian to stop the exploitation of young people!!

15 year olds can get paper rounds or wash neighbours cars. The migrants haven't took all those jobs have they?

Do pint out where I even alluded to paper rounds or car washing, thanks ever so.

(Both jobs that my nearly 15 yr old has been doing for a while).

Brexit Britain send the kiddies to the mill for a 12 hour day!

Aye!
Get em back up the chimneys!
They've had it too good for too long!

Exploitation?!

I worked most nights after school, every Saturday & every school holiday from age 14 - because I wanted to.

I was fucking loaded, not remotely exploited.

Didn't interfere with school stuff either - I went onto university after school.

Draconian?

Not at all, the regulations are there to stop people being exploited and ensure that employers are being safe.

How is a Saturday or after school job remotely comparable to sending kids up chimneys or to the mill??!!

Ffs.

I think times have changed dramatically since you did it and also just because you did it then, doesn't mean it would be safe or correct now.

How is a Saturday job or after school job remotely comparable with most hospitality work?

A job in a Supermarket maybe, but not hospitality work.

You were lucky!!!
I lived a box and ate gravel....

I cannot for the life of me think what is 'unsafe' about a 15 yr old working a Saturday in Asdas or in a restaurant

Times change semi, social progress and all that. More to life than money and flogging yourself from the age of 14. Particularly when pensions are getting worse and retirement age getting longer.

Hospitality work - waitressing, pot washing, cleaning etc?

How is that 'exploitative' or 'unsafe'?