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Westminstenders: The wheels on bus start to fall off, start to fall off…

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RedToothBrush · 06/04/2017 21:42

The wheels on bus start to fall off, start to fall off…

Since Article 50 has been triggered – 8 days ago:

  1. A week after a terror attack in London, the government threatened to stop co-operation over security issues with the EU. This was quickly retracted as ‘not being a threat’. Except it was.

  2. The ‘Great’ Repeal Act White Paper was published. Its vague, lacks detail, does not have a draft bill and there is no plan for a public consultation over it. It proposes sweeping powers for the government without parliamentary scrutiny using Henry VIII powers.

  3. HMRC have said the new computer system planned for launch in 2019, won’t be able to cope with the additional work which leaving the Customs Union would produce. It would be five times the work load which sounds like a lot more red tape.

  4. Spain have said they would not oppose an Independent Scotland being in the EU.

  5. May’s article 50 letter did not mention Gibraltar and after the publication of the EU draft document on how the Brexit process would be handled, this looks like a massive error and oversight. One of the clauses was that any future arrangements with regard to Gibraltar had to be settled with Spain bi-laterally rather than by the EU and the UK’s agreement with the EU would not apply to Gibraltar, unless Spain agreed. This has been taken as an affront to Gibraltar’s sovereignty, although the document says nothing about sovereignty. Michael Howard, however, decided this was sufficient grounds to threaten our ally Spain with war.

May has not condemned his comments, and laughed it off. Though she was happy to get worked up about the word ‘Easter’ a couple of days later.

Of course, this situation was entirely predictable and was predicted yet this situation seems to have taken the government by surprise. Our reaction, in the context of everything else, has made the UK look like a basket case.

  1. The government’s plan to run talks on the UK’s settlement on leaving the EU in parallel with talks on the UK’s future relationship with the EU has been rejected by the EU. Instead we must do things in stages, with advancement to the next stage only possible after completing the last: Stage 1 – Exit, Stage 2 – Preliminary agreement on future relation, Stage 3 – Exit/Transition Deal, Stage 4 – As third country status enter a new deal.

The effect of this also means that deals we currently have with counties like South Korea through the EU need to be revisited. There is no guarantee these countries will want to continue trading with us on the same terms, if they do not want to.

  1. The EU has set out its own red lines. Our deal 'must encompass safeguards against...fiscal, social & environmental dumping'. Our transition deal must not last longer than three years and individual sectors, like banking, should not get special treatment.

Donald Tusk has said we don’t need a punishment deal as we are doing a good job of shooting ourselves in the foot, whilst Guy Verhofstadt said Brexit is Brexit is a 'catfight in Conservative party that got out of hand” and hoped future generations would reverse it.

  1. May has admitted that we might well have no deal in place by the time we leave the EU. Until now we have been told we would have a deal in two years. She has also admitted an extension of free movement of people beyond Brexit.

  2. The Brexit Select Committee published their report which warned about the dangers of exit without any deal, as well as talking about problems relating to the ‘Great’ Repeal Act, Gibraltar and NI. This is sensible and you’d think uncontroversial, but the Brexiteers threw the toys out of their pram saying it was too pessimistic. The government’s job is, of course, to plan for problems no matter how unlikely – such as disasters – and to hope that never happens. It seems that these Brexiteers don’t want to act responsibility or do their job.

  3. Questions at the WTO have been asked about how Brexit will affect them. Interest in the subject came initially from Indonesia about Tariff Rate Quotas, but other parties who were watching closely were Argentina, China, Russia and the United States.

  4. Phillip Hammond has openly said that there are a number of Tory MPs who want us to not make any agreement with the EU and to crash out in a chaotic exit.

  5. Polling has suggested that people want Brexit to be quick and cheap. Not only that, but the word ‘Brexit’ has started to poll badly. Instead the Brexit department are advising officials to use the phrase “new partnership with Europe”. Lynton Crosby, the mastermind behind 2015’s Conservative victory has also warned that the Tories would probably lose 30 seats they gained from the LDs at an early election.

Of course, even a 2020 election might prove challenging with a transition deal still likely to be unresolved as Brexit drags on. Government strategy is, apparently, to hope that Remainer's anger will have dissolved by 2020.

Eight days in, and the Brexit Bus looks like it strayed into 1980's Toxeth and got torched, its wheels nicked, and graffitied with obscenities over its £350million pledge.

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StripeyMonkey1 · 09/04/2017 12:07

Interesting article Bigchoc. For what it's worth, I think the EU has already made it clear that it will negotiate only leaving terms and a transitional deal for now.

The real negotiation on our future relationship with the EU will come more than two years from now, and after the UK 2020 General Election. The EU might have hopes that, by then, it will be negotiating with a more reasoned UK government, rather than the current Conservative leadership in thrall to its hard right.

woman12345 · 09/04/2017 12:54

Thanks for posting BCF it's behind paywall for me. Agree with your post and on previous one. The Independent on risky impotence of post EU diplomacy :
"Mr Johnson’s cancellation suggests, however, that Rex Tillerson, the US Secretary of State, took the view that a separate channel of communication would only confuse matters
And it poses a larger question about the dream of many Brexiteers of Britain as a powerful, buccaneering nation, charting its own course in world affairs, independent of entanglements and the tiresome compromises they require".
www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/the-cancellation-of-boris-johnson-s-trip-to-moscow-puts-britain-in-its-place-in-the-world-a7674336.html.

HashiAsLarry · 09/04/2017 13:14

Marie Le Conte‏ @youngvulgarian

French paper Libe has published a Brexit explainer for kids in French & English and it's...revealing: www.liberation.fr/apps/2017/04/le-ptit-libe-le-brexit-en/?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#/3/

Since the beginning, the United Kingdom has always refused to have both feet in Europe and has managed to do things differently from the other countries. Because the UK was not occupied by its enemies or defeated during the Second World War, it believed it didn’t need the European Union to live in peace. However, it thought that it might be an opportunity to be slightly more powerful. So it took a part of what the EU offered, but not all.

That's the pinned quote to the tweet but the rest of it is also quite a read

woman12345 · 09/04/2017 14:26

lt's lovely Hashi, and no British child has or was taught any of this.

Peregrina · 09/04/2017 14:40

Cars driving on the left I believe comes from the days when we went around on horseback and therefore kept our sword arm on the side of the person coming the other way. We can now get away with not changing because we are an island - Japan also drives on the left. I can also remember when Sweden changed from Left to Right, and I believe that before the War even parts of France drove on the left.

I think one foot in Europe and one out, was also to do with not being prepared to admit that we had lost our Empire - as we are seeing now with the rantings of the jingoists.

SwedishEdith · 09/04/2017 14:48

That extract is really sad, I think. Shows the UK as a taker. Yes, all countries, to an extent, are bothered about their security first (realism in political terms) but it's not something that makes me feel proud of being British.

LurkingHusband · 09/04/2017 15:35

I had a flash of realisation today as to where the alleged push against multiculturism might be coming from ...

As with strains of crops that are monocutural, a monocultural society is much more susceptible to viruses, and blights (cf the potato famine).

The viruses and blights that might affect a monocultural society being fascism, extremism and nationalism.

So cui bono ? Who would benefit from a monocultural UK ? And does anyone really believe we can turn the clock back to a 1950s Britain that never existed ?

Dannythechampion · 09/04/2017 15:53

Refusing to have both feet in Europe was because Eurosceptics were vocal about many policies and were able to influence policy. They were very critical of any pro European policies

The same people who are now telling remain voters that they can have no say or influence over brexit, because apparently its the will of the people.

mathanxiety · 09/04/2017 19:44

Indeed, BigChoc, and you have to wonder how many lies are being told or myths propagated about other targets in world politics.

I found the former ambassador's thoughts pretty convincing on the topics he addressed.

LurkingHusband · 09/04/2017 20:06

As an adopted Brummie, here's a moment to be proud of

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-39545256

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Ms Khan, who was born in the UK and is half-Pakistani, half-Bosnian
...

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SwedishEdith · 09/04/2017 20:59

That photo is great, isn't it? Her response is just as classy - "wasn't intimidated in the slightest".

Dannythechampion · 09/04/2017 21:08

I think she's ace!

woman12345 · 09/04/2017 21:45

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/09/marine-le-pen-denies-french-role-wartime-roundup-paris-jews?CMP=twt_gu
New girlfriend for Jezza and Ken. Hitler was a Zionist who organised free Med holidays for Jews and no one in Paris saw a thing. National Socialism is right back in fashion this year.

LurkingHusband · 09/04/2017 21:46

There's a caption doing the rounds with that pic ...

Who looks like they have power here, the real Brummie on the left or the EDL who migrated for the day to our city and failed to assimilate?

BigChocFrenzy · 09/04/2017 21:47

Kick-ass Grin

Motheroffourdragons · 09/04/2017 22:19

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mathanxiety · 10/04/2017 00:17

Wonder where they got their monogrammed shirts?

RedToothBrush · 10/04/2017 08:03

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-could-push-through-indyref2-bill-to-force-may-s-hand-1-4415728
SNP could push through indyref2 bill to force May’s hand.

See you in court Mrs May?

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RedToothBrush · 10/04/2017 08:11

Alternatively how about joining Canada?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-scotland-leave-uk-independence-referendum-join-canada-eu-province-a7673296.html
Scotland could leave the UK and join Canada instead, says author

'Even as a typical Canadian province, it would have more powers than it does now,' says Ken McGoogan

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RedToothBrush · 10/04/2017 08:18

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/09/post-brexit-trade-deal-india-worth-extra-2-billion-british-economy/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Post-Brexit trade deal with India 'worth extra £2 billion to British economy'

The UK currently faces significant tariffs on its trade with India because of the European Union's failure to agree a free trade deal.

The deal has been held up for a decade by European Union regulations on intellectual property and data protection, with which India is refusing to comply

Hmm.... And they want visas relaxed for deal with UK. I see no problems here at all. [Hmm]

Plus
James West @ejwwest
Wow. That's about 0.1% of our GDP.

Bharat Jashanmal @beejash
Belgium, Germany, France already export more to India than the UK?

Sounds fab. A miniscule gain for what? All because we are shit at trade right now?

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prettybird · 10/04/2017 08:31

Wasn't it the UK that was blocking the EU trade deal with India? Confused Isn't it more likely to go through without us whinging about visas after Brexit? Confused

RedToothBrush · 10/04/2017 08:35

What's more...

Steve Peers @StevePeers
1/2 Fibby Telegraph article: Background to the UK issues which were in the way of an EU/India FTA, by @vincecable:
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/04/india-britain-trade-charm-offensive-business-neighbours

2/2 Telegraph also says UK will benefit hugely from trade deals with Korea & Turkey. EU already has FTA with Korea, custom union with Turkey

From Cable article:
In addition, the trade agreement made no progress for reasons which had little to do with the rest of the EU and a lot to do with Britain. The British were pressing for better access for banking and other services but – thanks to May at the Home Office – maintained a consistently restrictive and negative approach to visas for Indian visitors and overseas students. India’s modest request under what is called Mode 4 relating to visas for IT specialists was firmly rebuffed. The message to India that “we want your money but we don’t want your people” was, to say the least, not a great pitch.

And post-Brexit, the pitch has remained the same but has become increasingly desperate, a point the Indians haven’t been slow to notice.

So. Why DID the Telegraph publish that article today? It sounds... Well the words 'desperate' and 'clutching at straws' spring to mind first. Followed by 'trying to polish a turd'.

Are the Telegraph trying to sell the prospect of a poor dodgy deal which leaves us at risk of ID theft and would lead to increased immigration from India to the public?

As that is the alternative reasoning for the article.

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RedToothBrush · 10/04/2017 08:56

This story should be huge. I don't expect it to get much further than the pages of the FT:

www.ft.com/content/fa80d526-1b7a-11e7-a266-12672483791a
UK outsourcing deals extended because of Brexit workload

Civil servants too busy managing EU exit to focus on new and better-value tenders

Jist is that austerity government are spunking money up the wall by not practicing their negotiation skills on good trade deals with the private sector (which they have no ties with whatsoever) because they are too busy trying to deal with Brexit. And because they already cut too many civil service jobs. 2016/2017 are particularly bad years because more deals then usual are up for review due to 10 year cycles falling now.

So whilst government is asking hospitals and schools to spend tax payers money in the best possible way, they are quite happily doing this behind closed doors where there is little public accountability because there are commercial clauses which protect scrutiny of such contracts.

THIS is really what Brexit is and is about. Not shitty trade deals with India which make nice fluffy pieces in the Telegraph and are about as much use as waterproof tea bags.

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prettybird · 10/04/2017 08:57

MEPs saying that a trade deal with India would be easier without the UK

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/23/brexit-could-help-eu-strike-free-trade-deal-india-meps

Lesson that the Indyref supporters learnt during the Project Fear Infyref campaign, to bear in mind when reading headlines of papers/MSM with an agenda (especially from the Mail and the Express but to a lesser extent the Telegraph)

Would = could
Could = might possibly
Might = almost definitely won't/will happen (dependent on context) but we want to pretend that it is a possible consequence

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RedToothBrush · 10/04/2017 09:04

www.inquisitr.com/4130177/richard-spencer-attacked-alt-right-leader-just-punched-in-the-face-again-then-glitter-bombed/
Richard Spencer attacked: Alt right leader just punched in the face again, then glitter bombed.

I'm sure it would count as assault unfortunately, but if it wasn't, I'd love glitter bombing to be a thing this summer in the UK.

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