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Westminstenders: The wheels on bus start to fall off, start to fall off…

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RedToothBrush · 06/04/2017 21:42

The wheels on bus start to fall off, start to fall off…

Since Article 50 has been triggered – 8 days ago:

  1. A week after a terror attack in London, the government threatened to stop co-operation over security issues with the EU. This was quickly retracted as ‘not being a threat’. Except it was.

  2. The ‘Great’ Repeal Act White Paper was published. Its vague, lacks detail, does not have a draft bill and there is no plan for a public consultation over it. It proposes sweeping powers for the government without parliamentary scrutiny using Henry VIII powers.

  3. HMRC have said the new computer system planned for launch in 2019, won’t be able to cope with the additional work which leaving the Customs Union would produce. It would be five times the work load which sounds like a lot more red tape.

  4. Spain have said they would not oppose an Independent Scotland being in the EU.

  5. May’s article 50 letter did not mention Gibraltar and after the publication of the EU draft document on how the Brexit process would be handled, this looks like a massive error and oversight. One of the clauses was that any future arrangements with regard to Gibraltar had to be settled with Spain bi-laterally rather than by the EU and the UK’s agreement with the EU would not apply to Gibraltar, unless Spain agreed. This has been taken as an affront to Gibraltar’s sovereignty, although the document says nothing about sovereignty. Michael Howard, however, decided this was sufficient grounds to threaten our ally Spain with war.

May has not condemned his comments, and laughed it off. Though she was happy to get worked up about the word ‘Easter’ a couple of days later.

Of course, this situation was entirely predictable and was predicted yet this situation seems to have taken the government by surprise. Our reaction, in the context of everything else, has made the UK look like a basket case.

  1. The government’s plan to run talks on the UK’s settlement on leaving the EU in parallel with talks on the UK’s future relationship with the EU has been rejected by the EU. Instead we must do things in stages, with advancement to the next stage only possible after completing the last: Stage 1 – Exit, Stage 2 – Preliminary agreement on future relation, Stage 3 – Exit/Transition Deal, Stage 4 – As third country status enter a new deal.

The effect of this also means that deals we currently have with counties like South Korea through the EU need to be revisited. There is no guarantee these countries will want to continue trading with us on the same terms, if they do not want to.

  1. The EU has set out its own red lines. Our deal 'must encompass safeguards against...fiscal, social & environmental dumping'. Our transition deal must not last longer than three years and individual sectors, like banking, should not get special treatment.

Donald Tusk has said we don’t need a punishment deal as we are doing a good job of shooting ourselves in the foot, whilst Guy Verhofstadt said Brexit is Brexit is a 'catfight in Conservative party that got out of hand” and hoped future generations would reverse it.

  1. May has admitted that we might well have no deal in place by the time we leave the EU. Until now we have been told we would have a deal in two years. She has also admitted an extension of free movement of people beyond Brexit.

  2. The Brexit Select Committee published their report which warned about the dangers of exit without any deal, as well as talking about problems relating to the ‘Great’ Repeal Act, Gibraltar and NI. This is sensible and you’d think uncontroversial, but the Brexiteers threw the toys out of their pram saying it was too pessimistic. The government’s job is, of course, to plan for problems no matter how unlikely – such as disasters – and to hope that never happens. It seems that these Brexiteers don’t want to act responsibility or do their job.

  3. Questions at the WTO have been asked about how Brexit will affect them. Interest in the subject came initially from Indonesia about Tariff Rate Quotas, but other parties who were watching closely were Argentina, China, Russia and the United States.

  4. Phillip Hammond has openly said that there are a number of Tory MPs who want us to not make any agreement with the EU and to crash out in a chaotic exit.

  5. Polling has suggested that people want Brexit to be quick and cheap. Not only that, but the word ‘Brexit’ has started to poll badly. Instead the Brexit department are advising officials to use the phrase “new partnership with Europe”. Lynton Crosby, the mastermind behind 2015’s Conservative victory has also warned that the Tories would probably lose 30 seats they gained from the LDs at an early election.

Of course, even a 2020 election might prove challenging with a transition deal still likely to be unresolved as Brexit drags on. Government strategy is, apparently, to hope that Remainer's anger will have dissolved by 2020.

Eight days in, and the Brexit Bus looks like it strayed into 1980's Toxeth and got torched, its wheels nicked, and graffitied with obscenities over its £350million pledge.

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PattyPenguin · 14/04/2017 18:35

Richard North's latest monograph is out, this time on food exports to the EU from post Brexit UK. It's number 17 on this page eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=80999

eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86442 is also worth reading.

Hoo boy! We are so screwed.

Remember that R North is a Leaver.

thecatfromjapan · 14/04/2017 18:54

From your article, PattyPenguin:

"In the longer-term, ro-ro shipping may prove impracticable or uneconomic and we may shift to containerised transport, with redistribution away from the Channel ports, and a change in the nature of the goods exported to the EU market. This will particularly affect food exports, and we may see a move away from sales of highly perishable foods."

I'll bet all those Leave-voting farmers didn't see that coming.

Will it have a similar effect on food coming in? I hope not. I'm old enough to remember food being pricey and limited in range. Sad

Mistigri · 14/04/2017 19:43

Remember that R North is a Leaver.

This is true, but we should still give him honorary Extreme Remoaner status Grin.

It's a very good article. Once again, it turns out that things are actually worse than we thought.

Dannythechampion · 14/04/2017 19:48

Oh can we have a list of who has extreme remoaner status ? Both honorary and earned?

Tony Blair
John Major
Tim Farron all honorary.

Bananagio · 14/04/2017 20:13

misti any truth to the suggestion linked to on one of the other threads that the left are likely to abstain rather than vote for Macron in the second ballot? Am torn between disbelieving anything I read re EU elections in anglo press and not being overly concerned versus the fear of Trump/Brexit feeling being repeated!

Arborea · 14/04/2017 20:15

Thanks Peregrina for the link to the News from Norfolk blog: I enjoyed the writing so much I spent half the afternoon reading the older threads and was pleasantly surprised to find that the writer is a woman. I have signed up to follow her: I could do with knowing that more people like her exist at this difficult time!

Mistigri · 14/04/2017 20:23

bananagio actually I think the risk of abstentions is higher with a Le Pen-Fillon second round. Polls show this to be closer than either Macron-Le Pen or Melenchon-Le Pen, and I think many voters would quite reasonably stay at home given the choice between one right wing politician with his fingers in the French parliament's till, and another with her fingers in the EU parliament's till. (But I still think Fillon would win).

French polling is usually quite accurate, though this sort of four way race must make it harder. However, the second round involves only two candidates, and polling consistently shows Le Pen losing heavily whoever she faces.

Her first round lead over Fillon and Melenchon (and Macron's too) is within or very close to the margin of polling error - so we don't really know who will end up going through to the second round. It could be any combination of the four. However, it would be an extraordinary polling miss if she won the second round. Remember that the brexit and trump polls were right - it was the interpretation of them which was wrong (the final result was within the margin of polling error).

I'm not counting any chickens yet of course and I would be a little nervous about a Fillon-Le Pen scenario but overall I still see no credible route to an MLP victory.

Mistigri · 14/04/2017 20:32

For info, IIRC second round polling looks something like this:

Macron or Melenchon get a landslide (>60%) vs MLP
Fillon beats MLP with about 55% of the vote.
Macron beats both Melenchon and Fillon (the latter by a landslide)
Melenchon beats Fillon

But we don't seem to have a lot of polls which have tested Melenchon in the second round, so the above is based on a limited number of data points.

However, every single one of the many polls that have been done of MLP vs Macron or Fillon show them beating her handily. You could argue that all the polls are wrong, but you'd be a long way out on a limb.

RedToothBrush · 14/04/2017 20:37

Press Association‏*@PA*
#Breaking Sun columnist Kelvin MacKenzie suspended after he expresses "wrong" and "unfunny" views about people of Liverpool, News UK says

www.itv.com/news/2017-04-14/sun-columnist-kelvin-mackenzie-suspended-over-wrong-unfunny-comments-about-people-in-liverpool/
Sun columnist Kelvin MacKenzie suspended over 'wrong, unfunny' comments about people in Liverpool

Just to remind you, he WAS NOT suspended over his comments over a C4 reporter. Indeed the Sun backed him up went it went to court.

Its not about it being a racial slur. Its about trying to remarket the paper in Liverpool.

He'll be back in work in a fortnight having been given a bonus for his work in publicity.

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Bananagio · 14/04/2017 20:38

Thanks misti.

CardinalSin · 14/04/2017 21:56

From twitter. all about the blame...

Westminstenders: The wheels on bus start to fall off, start to fall off…
Dannythechampion · 14/04/2017 22:01

That's fab :)

SwedishEdith · 14/04/2017 22:22

From Twitter

"I read a Popbitch article on Thursday saying Rebekah Brooks wants Mackenzie out. Wonder if they usually edit his filth but didn't this time."

TheElementsSong · 14/04/2017 22:30

Love it CardinalSin Grin

HashiAsLarry · 14/04/2017 22:42

cardinal love it!
Reminds me of the big CPI rate and seeing tweets of 'well its not as bad as the 70s'. Yeah because we've been trying to not let it get as bad as the 70s for fun right?

Peregrina · 14/04/2017 22:45

For those who think it's all hunky dory and we are on our way to a glorious new future, and the economy is not beginning to suffer, have a look at this.

Westminstenders: The wheels on bus start to fall off, start to fall off…
HashiAsLarry · 14/04/2017 22:55

Ha, peregrina you've just helped me prove a point to DH in our argument about fish fingers! I swore I got them both cheaper and in larger quantities before last summer (in the meantime we'd done a costco haul). He now believes Birds Eye came in 12 packs.

HashiAsLarry · 14/04/2017 22:55

Though they still do GF and for not too much more expensive Shock

WifeofDarth · 14/04/2017 23:12

We should add cat food to that list hashi and peregrina. Our podgy puss has lost a few ounces on the Brexit diet - whiskas pouches down to 85g from 100g. Price has gone up though.

RedToothBrush · 14/04/2017 23:12

We have found the solution to the obesity crisis in Brexit.

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HashiAsLarry · 14/04/2017 23:15

We have found the solution to the obesity crisis in Brexit.
Sadly I think that would only happen if we made fat, wheat and sugar more expensive and home grown veg so cheap its the only option. Sorry, I think I've hit Tudor times again Blush

woman12345 · 14/04/2017 23:56

^Theresa May faces rebellion from her own MPs over foreign student numbers.

Prime Minister isolated on the matter of student immigration, as numbers drop after young people studying in the UK report feeling unwelcome in the country.

But rebels claim they can overturn the Government’s majority of 17, which would require nine Tories to defy Ms May if all opposition party MPs join forces with them. They hope the real prospect of defeat will force the Prime Minister to compromise^

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-tory-rebellion-foreign-student-numbers-drop-the-target-a7684101.html

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Mistigri · 15/04/2017 06:26

We should add cat food to that list

There will be fewer fat cats then.

Isn't that what brexit was all about?

Mistigri · 15/04/2017 06:33

But rebels claim they can overturn the Government’s majority of 17, which would require nine Tories to defy Ms May if all opposition party MPs join forces with them. They hope the real prospect of defeat will force the Prime Minister to compromise

The irony is that May is correct on this issue. International students are migrants, and not counting them is cheating.

(She is of course wrong to want to reduce the number of students).