Westminstenders: And so it begins

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Promises made that can not be kept.

We have already fallen at the first stumbling block: the desire for parallel talks on exit and future relationship that May wanted has been rejected. Not that this is a surprise seeing as we were told this.

This isn't two years of negotiations for a good deal. Forget any suggestions that it is. It's two years of damage limitation and domestic pr.

For both the UK and EU.

I do believe that May's attitude - which seemed to be more friendly in her speech and letter yesterday - has burnt all our bridges.

This talk of the world needing the EU's 'liberal democracy' isn't aimed at the EU though. Her use of the words that produced uproar in the HoC yesterday was deliberate. Why use it? It was always going to produce a reaction.

When May says she will have a consensus at home to achieve this goal one of two things must happen: to prove just how much we need the EU to make a political reversal possible at the expense of her head or to vilify the EU to a point that Remainers suddenly change their mind.

To get a good deal for the UK she can not satisfy her hard line Brexiteers. It is impossible purely because to do otherwise is like breaking the laws of physics. Trade is done mostly with who you are closest too. This is the inescapable truth. We are leaving the EU but not Europe as keeps being pointed out.

If we want to trade we have to accept EU regulations. If we do not, we do not trade. Rules we can now no longer influence by must obey.

We can not reduce immigration. We have had control of non-Eu immigration and that is not going down due to skills shortages. To combat this schools are getting less money.

In terms of sovereignty and British parliament we just gave that away. The 'Great' Repeal Act is a power grab by the executive. It seems to give the powers of the monarch to Mrs May and take them away from parliamentary scrutiny. At the same time we are forced to become beholden to Trump's America. A man who screws people for a living and has not a shred of honour.

Using security as our bargaining chip misses the obvious. If we do not cooperate we endanger Brits abroad and ourselves domestically. Are we really prepared to stop?

The opportunities of Brexit Britain are bleak. This will be normalised.

Good luck folks. We are gonna need it.

The thing is the crey crey brexiters are really the minority in the Tory party. They could create a corbyn like smell around them very very quickly reducing any perceived power they thought they had

The moderates and wets do outnumber them. They just need to find their balls

Pooh Phillip is a staunch remainer is he? Ooh. Interesting. Remember he was quietly 'deployed' in Copeland as a 'secret weapon's. I wonder how much of a remainer he is now though. It's his Mrs reputation. If she stuffs up, he ain't gonna be popular in his circles.

Seb Dance MEP @sebdance
Greeted in Strasbourg with a "oh, you not brought your navy along?" Tories out of control & make Brits look ridiculous. We deserve better.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/03/nick-clegg-lets-join-forces-and-beat-the-brexiteers?CMP=twt_gu
Nick Clegg urges liberals and centrists to unite against hard Brexiters
Former Lib Dem leader says politicians across the divide need to challenge ideology of Theresa May’s government

Oh, I bet (based on no evidence, I realise!) that he still is. And I think she still is. Her body language is of someone very stressed about all of this. But, unfortunately, she's chosen to put party before country.

Cleggy is doing well. Without an opposition we need politicians to stand up be counted and start organising

Victory Posted about this yesterday hopefully the petition might have helped.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/03/keir-starmer-stojan-jankovic-london-shop-worker-labour

Good one woman

But I still can't understand how the fuck this is happening. Have we entered an ear od the dissapeared

There was something about deportations not that long ago (I don't think it was on of your threads).
Basically the Home Office has no issue deporting people just because. They are booking fights ahead of time to certain countries and then need to fill them up. So anyone who is 'weaker' (think disabled, poorer etc..) has more chance to be targeted as they won't be able to defend themselves.

Interestingly enough, no one has even said anything about that until now even though it has been going on for a while (thanks TM).

Perhaps the fact that we are aware now of the deportations is one good thing to come out of Brexit? If we know, we can protest to stop it. (Not that it makes the tin eared current and ex Home Secretaries take action.)

Phillip May may well be an ardent Remainer, but I think now that Theresa May has unleashed something which has gained its own momentum and she is powerless to stop it.

Howabout Of course some EU nationals make their life in the UK.
I was referring to the % difference, in that non-EU nationals from developing countries, e.g. India, almost always stay permanently if allowed

It is a safety valve for developing countries with a large number of young people without sufficent opportunities in their own country - helps reduce political unrest.

poorboy it is like Chile's 'disappeared' . People are being deported back to very dangerous and sometimes fatal situations. Thatcher had close links with Pinochet.

Must be why Amnesty International is now intervening to defend human rights abuses in Britain. But, Gary Linnekar supported this one, and Starmer negotiated so it shows it's worth keeping at it.

Green this is the most recent I can find on Irene Clennell
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/02/irene-clennell-deported-uk-terrorist

Many people like "Stoly" can get confused with the complicated forms and application process.

These cases don't seem to consider the individual, but just whether the forms been filled in correctly. Currently, it seems if not, then the default is lock 'em up and deport.

There should be more weight placed on factors like being self-supporting or running a business for many years, being fully integrated, law-abiding etc

Banks doesn't have 'bad boys'. Don't make him sound like a cheeky chappy who's lots of fun. From his public posturing, he's a person who regards politics as something to be bought - he can buy it, so he does. The idea that you might have the ability to purchase the policies that suit you and not do it would seem to him utterly ridiculous. The idea that politics might have as its main purposes the avoidance of war and the equal treatment of everyone, rich and poor, before the law, he would presumably regard as nonsense - not even utopian nonsense - that would not be utopia to him.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/08/uk-budget-deportation-jamaica
That's one of the articles I was thinking about re deportations...

I think that is a good assessment of Banks, Annandale. Unfortunately.

Annandale it was an allusion to his autobiography: "The Bad Boys of Brexit" Clever title, though, he's good at marketing. I agree, he does appear to buy power, I wonder where his wealth came from.

greenpepper another poster who knew deportation procedures, referred to targeting the ill and weak. The nazis did that. Thanks for reposting the article.

Diamond mines and insurance.

Depraved: Trump employees in Scotland secretly film activist urinating

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/03/activist-rohan-beyts-really-upset-donald-trump-employees-secretly-photographed-her

"A longtime campaigner against the resort, she accuses Trump International Golf Course Scotland, which denies the claims, of using photographs taken on mobile phones by two staff and a member of the public without her consent or knowledge, and is seeking up to £3,000 in damages.

At the time, TIGCS had an extensive CCTV system and held records for thousands of its customers, staff and suppliers
despite not being registered to use or hold personal data in breach of UK data protection legislation.
Edinburgh sheriff court heard evidence from police witness statements that Trump employees had been told to follow Beyts and a friend, Sue Edwards, and had then photographed Beyts at a distance as she urinated."

Banks keeps the sources of his wealth very opaque though. Whether diamond mines and insurance were the sole origin of all of the millions he has thrown at Brexit - and whatever far-right populist shitstorm he's plotting next - who knows.

This is embarrassing.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/04/03/amid-brexit-british-citizens-are-suddenly-gripped-by-nostalgia/?utm_term=.effd4b1b9fc9

I cant wait to have ice on the window panes, blankets not quilts, Jim Davidson on the TV, NF marches and women being discriminated against in every aspect of life

Let the good times roll

Black and white television, with only two channels, BBC and ITV. But we could bring back Sunday Night at the London Palladium and Juke Box Jury. Oh yes, those were the days.

The BBC showing back to back episodes of On The Buses on a loop, in between pronouncements from Nigel Farage, which have replaced all news and current affairs programmes.

(Don't have nightmares)