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Westminstenders: And so it begins

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RedToothBrush · 30/03/2017 08:30

Promises made that can not be kept.

We have already fallen at the first stumbling block: the desire for parallel talks on exit and future relationship that May wanted has been rejected. Not that this is a surprise seeing as we were told this.

This isn't two years of negotiations for a good deal. Forget any suggestions that it is. It's two years of damage limitation and domestic pr.

For both the UK and EU.

I do believe that May's attitude - which seemed to be more friendly in her speech and letter yesterday - has burnt all our bridges.

This talk of the world needing the EU's 'liberal democracy' isn't aimed at the EU though. Her use of the words that produced uproar in the HoC yesterday was deliberate. Why use it? It was always going to produce a reaction.

When May says she will have a consensus at home to achieve this goal one of two things must happen: to prove just how much we need the EU to make a political reversal possible at the expense of her head or to vilify the EU to a point that Remainers suddenly change their mind.

To get a good deal for the UK she can not satisfy her hard line Brexiteers. It is impossible purely because to do otherwise is like breaking the laws of physics. Trade is done mostly with who you are closest too. This is the inescapable truth. We are leaving the EU but not Europe as keeps being pointed out.

If we want to trade we have to accept EU regulations. If we do not, we do not trade. Rules we can now no longer influence by must obey.

We can not reduce immigration. We have had control of non-Eu immigration and that is not going down due to skills shortages. To combat this schools are getting less money.

In terms of sovereignty and British parliament we just gave that away. The 'Great' Repeal Act is a power grab by the executive. It seems to give the powers of the monarch to Mrs May and take them away from parliamentary scrutiny. At the same time we are forced to become beholden to Trump's America. A man who screws people for a living and has not a shred of honour.

Using security as our bargaining chip misses the obvious. If we do not cooperate we endanger Brits abroad and ourselves domestically. Are we really prepared to stop?

The opportunities of Brexit Britain are bleak. This will be normalised.

Good luck folks. We are gonna need it.

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/04/2017 22:52

Lies only last so long, until the liars fail to do what they promised...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/04/03/why-is-trump-flailing-because-americans-hate-his-agenda-and-its-based-on-lies/?tid=pmopinionsspop&utmterm=.f75b8c2966a2

"Why is Trump tanking?

"The health bill, the travel ban and the border wall are all either defeated or in deep trouble"

"it is partly because the policies are so unpopular.

Take health care:
Many blame House conservatives for tanking the GOP bill. But more pragmatic GOP lawmakers also played a big role.
They opposed it in large part because the policy was so regressive that even they could not abide by it.

The plan would have cut over $800 billion in Medicaid spending
which would have left 14 million fewer on Medicaid .... — while delivering an enormous tax cut for the rich."

"The bottom line is that the ongoing translation of Trump’s agenda into policy specifics is showing that major elements of it are unpopular, or unworkable because they are premised on lies, or both."

SwedishEdith · 03/04/2017 22:54

Was thinking about Rising Damp this morning and how appropriate it seems. But, then we thought we were moving away from that era, not towards it.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/04/2017 22:56

I expected Brexit to be tough and to make us poorer if done incompetently.

I had not expected the UK to become an international laughing stock.
They are laughing from India to Australia, across Europe and the USA ....

This govt has created a national humiliation before the negotiations have even begun

SwedishEdith · 03/04/2017 23:00

"I had not expected the UK to become an international laughing stock."

Oh, I did, tbf. A country in thrall to Farage and ruddy-faced Tory boozer MPs? Yes, that's not a good look, internationally.

AnnieKenney · 03/04/2017 23:02

Just another POV re deportations....I am not in general supportive of the UKs attitude towards deportations. However, for the past year i have been supporting someone whose partner is clearly here illegally and who has no right to be here (he is an abusive partner of a UK citizen) but who has been in a deportation centre for 11 months now. Had expected given current climate for the process to be quicker (he is due to be deported to Brazil rather than a country with a dodgy HR record)

woman12345 · 03/04/2017 23:48

Theresa May has said she hopes to send a message about women in leadership when she visits Saudi Arabia, but stopped short of overtly criticising the country’s approach to equal rights
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/03/theresa-may-hopes-example-female-potential-saudi-arabia

whatwouldrondo · 03/04/2017 23:53

Black and white television, with only two channels, BBC and ITV. But we could bring back Sunday Night at the London Palladium and Juke Box Jury. Oh yes, those were the days. of The Black and White Minstrel Show being Saturday night peak time viewing Shock

BigChocFrenzy · 04/04/2017 00:14

What do many lone terrorists have in common? Domestic violence

Far right / Islamist / Christian Evangelist / ...

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/28/lone-attackers-domestic-violence-khalid-masood-westminster-attacks-terrorism

Dannythechampion · 04/04/2017 00:18

They also mostly happen to be men, I think 99% of them.

BAN MEN! Actually no, they're quite good for some things lol!

SwedishEdith · 04/04/2017 00:38

I remember back in November (just checked) pondering who "John Simpson" was on one of the Brexit FB pages. Well, spotted this article this weekend (it's from Jan 2017).

remainvisual.co.uk/john-simpson-fake-profile-paid-troll-or-genuine-campaigner/

'John Simpson. Fake Profile? Paid Troll? Or Genuine Campaigner?'

BigChocFrenzy · 04/04/2017 01:17

Hate crimes rising against refugee children

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/03/croydon-attack-comes-as-charities-report-growing-number-of-hate-crimes

"The attack on a teenage asylum seeker in Croydon last Friday comes as reports of abuse directed at refugee children are becoming more frequent, charities and experts have warned.

Andy Elvin, chief executive of the fostering organisation Tact, which has looked after hundreds of asylum-seeking children across the country, said he was aware of a number of children in his organisation’s care who had been verbally abused in the streets"

“It is verbal abuse – about their status, what they are doing in this country, why they don’t go back,” he said.
It was particularly an issue which young people encountered on public transport

“We have made several reports to the police of hate crimes.
We think it is rising."

It is entirely linked to the environment that has been created by the public discourse about people coming to this country from overseas ...

Asylum seekers are all seen as bogus – not as children, not traumatised, not in need, just freeloaders coming here to take advantage of the system.”

Cailleach1 · 04/04/2017 01:25

Theresa May not the first female British Prime Minister to deal in the art of a threat.

"Garret FitzGerald, the then Irish Taoiseach (prime minister), sided with the French in a vote that paved the way for the EU’s most singular achievement. Margaret Thatcher, his British counterpart, was furious: the two leaders were in the throes of delicate negotiations over the violent conflict in Northern Ireland. “Garret, you can’t do this,” she said. “Remember Northern Ireland.”

Interesting article.

www.ft.com/content/3d0fdb18-d97b-11e6-944b-e7eb37a6aa8e

Nobody knows what will happen, yet. If organisations leave UK for EU, it may somewhat cushion the effects of a Brexit on the EU.

Armaments in the UK news quite a bit recently. More than I seem to remember.

mathanxiety · 04/04/2017 06:22

UK wages were never suppressed by immigration, Howabout.

They were suppressed (if at all by immigration) by lax administrative oversight, failure to enforce regulations, disdain for worker protection, willfully turning a blind eye, whatever you wish to call it.

I would like to know the effect of workfare on wages and on availability of entry level unskilled or low skilled positions.

mathanxiety · 04/04/2017 06:38

Steve Bannon is bankrolled by Robert Mercer, a multi billionaire, libertarian-right, hedge fund opportunist who has no need whatsoever of Russian money. I suspect Banks swims in the same muddy waters.

Motheroffourdragons · 04/04/2017 07:23

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lalalonglegs · 04/04/2017 07:36

Well, this just gets better and better Tory MPs disown negative brexit findings by own committee. They really are a bunch of churlish fools - they claim the report is rushed and partisan (ie it destroys their delusions of cake and rainbows) - a case of no report being better than a bad report? Hmm

lalalonglegs · 04/04/2017 07:36

Sorry, Mother, I didn't see your post.

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Eeeeeowwwfftz · 04/04/2017 08:00

You'd have thought that with the media spotlight on them the dissenters would have reaffirmed the positives that were left out of the report, wouldn't you?

HashiAsLarry · 04/04/2017 08:01

I think this sums its up very well

Law and Policy‏ @Lawandpolicy
Davis to Brexit committee: we have no plan.
Brexit committee: government has no plan.
Hard Brexit MPs on committee: Dissent! Gloomy! Bias!

prettybird · 04/04/2017 09:02

He amended it to clarify "Brexit Committee Report" - but love it! Definitely worthy of retweeting! Grin

Imjustapoorboy · 04/04/2017 09:03

A heartwarming article to show us there is a different way

www.positive.news/2017/society/26310/the-age-of-the-citizen-is-coming/

woman12345 · 04/04/2017 09:16

May takes time off from promoting women's rights in Jordan to defend easter eggs:
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/04/theresa-may-condemns-national-trust-for-axing-easter-from-egg-hunt

She is in Amman where women's groups haven't been able to stop this:
www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/dec/09/calls-for-action-as-honour-killings-in-jordan-show-sharp-increase-16-day-campaign-gender-violence

The Saudis stand accused of bombing multiple international hospitals run by the charity Médecins Sans Frontières, as well as schools, wedding parties and food factories.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/arms-sales-saudi-arabia-theresa-may-staunch-defence-keep-people-streets-britain-safe-a7230836.html

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/arms-exports-saudi-arabia-yemen-no-judgement-international-humanitarian-law-theresa-may-cluster-a7538601.html

British-made cluster bombs in the ongoing conflict that the UN believes has led to 10,000 deaths.

woman12345 · 04/04/2017 09:32

Brexit travel; end of booze cruises; Etias (like ESTAs); high insurance; no more cheap flights.

"With Etias as currently envisaged, people intending to visit will have to go online to enter personal data, and answer questions about their health and any criminal convictions, even for a brief “booze cruise” from Dover to Calais. Duty-free allowances are expected to be reintroduced"

"When asked to confirm that UK citizens would no longer have access to the EHIC, Mr Davis responded: “I think that’s probably right."

"In that event, travel insurance premiums for trips to Europe are likely to rise steeply"

"Michael O’Leary, has speculated that aviation from the UK to the EU could be temporarily grounded from March 2019"

www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/abta-brexit-uk-eu-negotiation-open-skies-us-ehic-mobile-phone-roaming-a7665001.html

RedToothBrush · 04/04/2017 09:41

Election Data @election_data
I know Labour should be worried about the @ICMResearch poll from yesterday but the Brexit part of the poll should worry the PM equally.
It's clear from the polling I've seen that the public a) want Brexit to be quick and b) relatively cost-free.
Worryingly for the PM I think people's emotional triggers have already been activated re: Brexit imvho. "Quick and cost-free" is set.

Cllr Brant @PaulDBrant
So if she fails to deliver it, she will own the failure?

Election Data @election_data
She would if there were credible alternatives on the ballot paper.....

Cllr Brant @PaulDBrant
Well, it may alter dynamics within Tory party too - although I'm not sure where pro business pro EU wing goes.

Press Association
#Breaking Theresa May has condemned as "absolutely ridiculous" a decision to drop the word Easter from a Cadbury and National Trust egg hunt

Law and Policy @LawandPolicy
Former Tory leader casually mentions war with Spain.
PM: no response.

^"Easter" to be removed from an egg hunt.
PM: "absolutely ridiculous"^

Zoe Paramour @ZoeParamour
Things Theresa May hasn't condemned:
- Trump's travel ban
- Judges being called "enemies of the people"
- Michael Howard's "war with Spain."

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