So the good times are about to roll....are they?

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I wanted to ask on another thread, but they are all bunfight-y.

I am a remainer so I feel very depressed about today. I would like some reassurance from brexiters about what I have to look forwards to.

I'm afraid 'taking back control' isn't clear enough to me, so an explanation of what will be different if that's the theme you will go for.

So far, since the vote, my family has lost £10,000s and my husband's current job/role has been placed in jeopardy. I have probably lost the ability to automatically continue to work in an EU country in under 2 years time (I currently live in Germany, though this was intended to be temporary). I have dear friends relocating out of London since the banks are shifting jobs due to Brexit so I'm not sure who I would be moving back to. My house is worth less and I'm less likely to be able to sell it if I do want to move. I'll need to get the kids Irish passports if I want them to benefit from the EU.

So cheer me up - we're set for a brighter future aren't we? What can I look forwards to?

About half way through it lala (got distracted by another book)

And yes..its a scary read

I wonder what the civil service make of Brexit ? They are the one's who are going to be doing the actual work related to leaving the EU .

The reason I posted the video is because none of us can say with any real certainty what is going to happen , I personally went with a bunch of facts and figures that stated that it could be a bad thing and so voted remain . I did listen to the other side's point of view , I just worried that those doing the leave campaigning were not in a posistion to carry through any of their promises .

Front page of the express today says we're getting blue passports back! How wonderful! The future tastes bright already!

The front page of the Express said 'talks begin' last September.
Personally, I hope we don't, because it's a completely unecessary change, but it's just the sort of stupid thing we would do.

At the bargain price of just £500 million too. I'm sure nobody could think of a more worthwhile way to spend that money.

Can't stand all this pointless nostalgia, who gives a shit what colour our passports are?

AGHHHH

As someone said, they have only known the maroon passports - they would feel nostalgia for those. As for lbs and oz, how many people under 40 think in those terms?

I have to teach conversion between metric and imperial measurements to my primary school kids. I'm 40 and had to swot up on it myself because I primarily learned metric. I can't fathom why anyone would want to go back to a system based on 12s and 16s when our whole number system is based on the far simpler premise of counting in tens.

Now that we are to be a sovereign nation again, we must bring back imperial units

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/01/now-sovereign-nation-must-bring-back-imperial-units/

"But I know from my postbag that there is another infliction from the decades of our EU membership that many would like to be shot of, and that was the imposition of the metric system on large parts of our life.

But we have been forced on to the Celsius temperature scale, which is less precise than Fahrenheit... we can't buy groceries in pounds or ounces..."

I hope to goodness that this article is a spoof, but I fear not. This columnist, and his correspondents, are apparently genuinely aggrieved that they have been oppressed, coerced and generally abused by the use of a frankly more practical system of measurement?! (Incidentally, IIRC it has never been illegal to have imperial measurements alongside the metric, for those who had preferred this - so their objection was their own intolerance to others, rather than the reverse).

How is anybody supposed to not roll their eyes at these lofty goals for Brexit?

Yup, why did God give us ten fingers and ten toes?

The Government was bringing in metric measurements before we joined the EEC. It's been a wonderful blame band wagon to jump on. Who will we be able to blame when we are no longer in the EU?

A bit like when Communism collapsed - it had been a wonderful bogeyman for so many, (but had zero affect on their own lives), so now who did they blame?

Even if you brought back the imperial system, you'd still have to teach metric in parallel if you wanted children to have a scientific education. Scientific units are all based on the metric system (because it's logical). I've certainly never heard of a "pico ounce" or a "nano inch". Honestly though, what a stupid, irrelevant, waste of money to campaign for. I genuinely despair of the general public if this is what they think is worth fighting for.

So where are all the leavers who can explain what good is going to come of this? Or are blue passports and an outdated measuring system all they got??

That Telegraph article! The initial assertion is bullshit anyway: I've bought stuff in yards recently (fabric).

Was that from the states, squishy? Having been brought up with the metric system, I get really annoyed when I have to convert yards to metres- my brain only works in metric 😆. This is the case for most British people of working age, so taking us back to imperial would be an absolute nightmare for most industries.

Personally I expect Britain to be better off in the medium to long term mainly because the EU is declining and we won't be dragged down with it.

But for me the most important thing is regaining our sovereignty, you just cant put a price on that. Reading about the massive amount of laws the EU has imposed on us over the years has reinforced that belief.

I think most people outside London have no sympathy when they hear about the falls of property values in the capital. And certainly no sympathy when we hear about bankers losing income.

anon You are just spouting rhetoric nonsense in order to provoke a reaction but people aren't going to bother engaging with you because you are completely unable to back up your comments with anything other than more cliches.

One of the things I've asked for elsewhere is a list of laws that the UK government wanted to pass, that would have benefited ordinary people and were unable to do so because of the EU. Again, a link would suffice if anyone has one.

Meanwhile:

But we have been forced on to the Celsius temperature scale, which is less precise than Fahrenheit...

Except: precision has absolutely nothing to do with the scale you measure something on. Both are continuous linear scales, and therefore both can measure temperatures to any desired degree of precision. www.ncsu.edu/labwrite/Experimental%20Design/accuracyprecision.htm

we can't buy groceries in pounds or ounces...

Except: Traders can give the imperial equivalent unit price as long as the metric unit price is given greater prominence and the imperial equivalent equates to the metric price. from Trading Stanards Law Explained: www.businesscompanion.info/en/quick-guides/pricing-and-payment/price-marking-of-goods-for-retail-sale

However this is getting distracted from the real issues. This is a good read, it sets out the most expensive EU regulations:

openeurope.org.uk/intelligence/britain-and-the-eu/top-100-eu-rules-cost-britain-33-3bn/

1. The UK Renewable Energy Strategy – Recurring cost: £4.7bn a year
2. The CRD IV package – Recurring cost: £4.6bn a year
3. The Working Time Directive – Recurring cost: £4.2bn a year
4. The EU Climate and Energy Package – Recurring cost: £3.4bn a year
5. The Temporary Agency Workers Directive – Recurring cost: £2.1bn a year

Presumably if one wants to cut free from burdensome legislation, it will be around here where we start. To be fair, I don't know what all of these things are or how necessary they are, but on the whole I think that renewable energy and action on climate change are in general A Good Thing, and need strategic investment. We can argue about whether the EU's investment represents good value for money, and whether we can do a better job of it, but to ignore either of these things is unlikely to be good in the long run.

The Working Time Directive was mentioned above. The document says that this is a policy with "no benefit", which is odd because "Since excessive working time is cited as a major cause of stress, depression and illness, the purpose of the Directive is to protect people's health and safety" (en.wikipedia.org./wiki/Working<span class="underline">TimeDirective_2003). There must be a benefit in terms of healthcare costs, and I suppose someone somewhere will have quantified these.
I would need to be convinced that the net benefit to the economy is zero.

The bloody WAR word is now being bandied about in relation to Gibraltar! I am sure that this is nonsense, but how did things get to this?

Anon1234567890 likes to come on threads to troll, but will go quiet as soon as this is pointed out.

Bearbehind You really have a chip on your shoulder. Call it 'rhetoric' if you want but its why so many people voted the way they did. Not every decision you make in your life is based on pounds and pence, a feeling of pride, hope for the future, a desire and will to make it work is often more significant.

It is just not possible to precisely quantify the benefits of being a sovereign UK yet. Just like all remainers can do is try and claim the sky is falling down when all they have proof of, is an acorn hitting them on the head. So far the 'Project Fear' predictions have not come to pass so why should we believe your continued unfounded protestations of doom and gloom?

One of the things I've asked for elsewhere is a list of laws that the UK government wanted to pass

I dont imagine there is such a list, why would a government spent ages working out laws they knew they weren't allowed to pass. The whole point is to be able to pass or repeal any law UK citizens mandate its government to do. I dont get the idea that if the EU pass a law that is 'good' for someone somewhere in the EU, whether the the UK wants it or not, then we should suck it up. Well we won't anymore, we want our democracy back.

Peregrina, I go quiet because I make my point and leave. I usually have more important things to do than sit on MN all day like you.

The bloody WAR word is now being bandied about in relation to Gibraltar! I am sure that this is nonsense, but how did things get to this?
War between European nations was what the EU was intended to prevent. I'm not surprised that the word is being bandied about by nationalist Brexiters, only at how quickly it's happened (within 48 hours of A50).

I go quiet because I make my point and leave.

anon there is actually a different between 'making a point' and that point having any credibility- your 'points sadly lack any credibilty