Westministenders: Danger of "accidental" Brexit (whoops !) ?

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i.e. Brexit without a deal - NOT intentionally so - due to UK govt incompetence and mutual UK/EU misunderstandings

The govt is proceeding from abysmal ignorance on a Brexit journey which may blunder into disaster.

Prominent Leave campaigner Richard North:

"The UK Government's narrative seems to rest on the belief that the EU will cave in under pressure, and is thus giving every sign that it is prepared to push negotiations to the wire.

If, on the other hand, the EU are determined not to budge, especially as, with their own White Paper on "The Future of Europe" triggering internal discussions unrelated to Brexit, they are not necessarily fully focused on the "British problem".

As a result, we could end up with an "accidental Brexit",
where the UK negotiators overplay their hand, ending up in the UK leaving without an agreement, forcing it to rely on WTO rules.

Most likely, it will take very little to convince the EU that Mrs May is bluffing – as the effect of the WTO option is likely to be disastrous for the UK economy.

We could thus have each side misreading each other, making the accidental Brexit all the more likely."

www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86395

I do not think the Conservatives yet have the heart to go that whole hog

I'd rather overestimate and look like a twit than underestimate and have to see my kids join the May youth. Presumably the contemporary equivalent of the Horst Wessel song would be celebrating the twin colossi of the Tory party: Maggie May ?

(I think I need to lie down)...

Now UK wants out of the European arrest warrants as well

Is this official policy ? One of the Leave campaigns "big beasts droppings" was that leaving the EU would not endanger UK security, and remaining within the EU warrant and security exchange programme was taken as a given.

Or do I misremember ?

Actually for me that song will always belong to Maggie rather than May (Margaret was also the first name of my demon Headmistress so it was the two most hated figures in my life rolled into one)

I don't think we know that the UK wants out of the EU arrest warrants, do we ?

But we've now entered the territory of "who cares what the UK wants" though.

I have no idea how the UKs membership or otherwise of the EU impinges on the European Arrest Warrant.

However, I can guarantee one thing (I do hope any Brexiteers aren't eating cornflakes) ... whatever happens in the future, there will be no way the UK could remain part of the EAW scheme if it leaves the ECHR.

"Maggie I wish I'd never seen your face, ooooooah"

Lets start the next 2 years as we mean to go on:

The Telegraph reports the news

Helps if I include the pictures doesn't it...

Telegraph headline and You Gov Survey results

By sheer coincidence, last summer I booked a long weekend away which starts tomorrow morning, in a location with bugger-all internet, at an event a regular describes as "ridiculously alcoholic".

So I shall be taking Ian Dunt's sage advice.

Next week I may be back on here with a thumping hangover. Or I may be in the local hospital (while there is one, given the rurality of the place).

The other information in that you gov poll is also interesting. Theresa May is correct that hard Brexit is what the majority of people still want. Nothing has changed in nine months. Very depressing.

Here's the link to the summary.
yougov.co.uk/news/2017/03/29/attitudes-brexit-everything-we-know-so-far/

Theresa May is correct that hard Brexit is what the majority of people still want.

Let's just remind ourselves that's the majority of people who voted Leave in the first place. So definitely not >50% of the population.

Blimey! Is Arthur Scargill still alive?

As for the rest, I have no words...

some Con MP talking about supporting Nato allies in face of Putin locking up political opponents. No truck with her words about Putin. But Erdogan?

Corbyn talking about some other issue. You can rely on SNP's to be correct and present in the moment, though. Angus Robertson asking about ignoring devolved gov't's re leaving. Talking about their ref.

PM questions.
Every 2nd question goes back to gov't side.

PM, would't you agree, this is very important to us and we are doing a super duper job on it?

Then back to other side for recriminations. Or slight reprimanding look from JC after he looks up having read from his script.

Yes, Arthur won't move from his seat. Over with the SNP'S. No matter how early they came in, Arthur was there to take his seat. Think they are leaving it to him now.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2890160-I-am-European
I am European...

It was the bit under point 7. 55% think we should walk away with no deal if we don't get what we want. Eek.

www.buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/cher-jean-claude-je-mappelle-theresa?utm_term=.or821Lkz7#.lmJ3J6bak
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