Westministenders: Danger of "accidental" Brexit (whoops !) ?

[BigChocFrenzy]

i.e. Brexit without a deal - NOT intentionally so - due to UK govt incompetence and mutual UK/EU misunderstandings

The govt is proceeding from abysmal ignorance on a Brexit journey which may blunder into disaster.

Prominent Leave campaigner Richard North:

"The UK Government's narrative seems to rest on the belief that the EU will cave in under pressure, and is thus giving every sign that it is prepared to push negotiations to the wire.

If, on the other hand, the EU are determined not to budge, especially as, with their own White Paper on "The Future of Europe" triggering internal discussions unrelated to Brexit, they are not necessarily fully focused on the "British problem".

As a result, we could end up with an "accidental Brexit",
where the UK negotiators overplay their hand, ending up in the UK leaving without an agreement, forcing it to rely on WTO rules.

Most likely, it will take very little to convince the EU that Mrs May is bluffing – as the effect of the WTO option is likely to be disastrous for the UK economy.

We could thus have each side misreading each other, making the accidental Brexit all the more likely."

www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86395

Last time I check I was 'one of the people'.

That depends. In Brave New Britain, you're A People if you voted Leave. If you voted Remain, you're Chopped Liver.

Therefore TM and all other Brexit-supporting commentators are 100% accurate when they state that The People voted overwhelmingly to Leave, and The People are all supporting any- and everything that is going on.

Further comment from Joanna Cherry QC about Laura Kuensburg's tweet


Joanna Cherry QC MPMP‏‏ @joannaccherry*y^

That's interesting because @DavidDavisMPP^ was quite clear he could meet the 18 month timetable when I questioned him on it at @CommonsEUexitt^

What do you mean, we shouldn't believe a word that Davis says?

Scotland can quite simply call an advisory referendum whenever it wants. As we well know, the result is then DEMOCRACY, and parliament must not stand in its way.

And a 52 - 48% result in favour is an OVERWHELMING majority, and THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, and WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT DEMOCRACY?

So I'm not one of the people unless I voted for what they are talking about....hhhmmm

I'm just scum. Until the tide turns

And my internal 11 year old says if Scotland can have two goes - why can't the UK? Not fair!!!

peugeot

The peu is pronounced somewhere in between "puh" and "per" (nearer purr than pew, anyway). Or you can use the Japanese pronunciation: "Nissan" ;)

What on earth is a party with no MPs doing on the panel? Whatever you think about Carswell, the collective UKIP IQ was halved by his resignation.

MrsLH and I saw Stewart Lee at the Symphony Hall this evening ... more coherent but less laughs than QT ....

I dont think the union will survive either

But my dad also thinks that Scotland should fuck off as well

I don't think Theresa May will understand what she did when she smashes up the UK - it won't be her fault, it will be the people who refused to do as she told them.

It will be the fault of remainers

Especially those remainers on mumsnet

Ah Just like Mr Blair history will see her for what she is (let's not also forget the maggot Cameron that got us into this and slithered off)

Views about Maggie may have tempered over time and at least Blair wanted peace in Northern Ireland - but Iraq will never be forgiven.

You Mrs May will have bought nothing but disaster to the country you profess to serve. I hope your God forgives you

It will be the fault of remainers

Indeed. In the (unlikely, I grant you, as Brexit has no downsides) event of any negative outcomes, we Remainers shall graciously be allowed to pop back into existence as sentient beings who somehow willed badness to happen due to lack of Believing. Never before has so much power been wielded by Chopped Liver.

I know people are saying that the 27 form a unified front and she won't be able to pick at countries separately. I wouldn't be the least surprised if the brexit gov't lovlies try to turn the screw on Ireland wrt the border and generally the whole NI issues that will be raised. Ireland will be most affected by Brexit. When Davis mentioned that Barnier an interest in NI's situation, the look on his face was kind of "imagine someone thinks that is an important issue. We aren't really taking it into account at all. Maybe we can use it as leverage?"

If this crowd have any screw to turn, they will turn it. As someone says in this article, '...the UK is in a weak position and they’ll have to play every card they have. And we’re a card.”

esharp.eu/debates/the-uk-and-europe/walking-the-tightrope-irelands-brexit-dilemma

Yeah

I am wondering how me sitting here thinking 'christ this is a fuckup' is actually making the fuck up worse

Im destroying the country with the power of my miiiinnnndddd!!!!

Now to see if i can use my mind as a force for good....im now thinking i have a clean kitchen, i have a clean kitchen

Fuckit why isnt it working

Misti, I'll use Nissan. dammit

You did say nearer purr, not actually purr.

I disagree about it being thrown on our backs

We have been told we have no power. So we have no power. It will be the politicians who will be judged. Why do you think Labour isn't in a rush to look like an actual party? (I'm a member and I have my suspicions)

Its Nissan Renault. Not Nissan Peugeot....

Good for you, keep marching, poorboy and everyone else in the UK.
You are exercising your democratic right to peaceful protest
< fist bumps >
Like all muscle, it's "use it or lose it."

Is it just me or did TM look very much older and greyer in the photo with NS than she did when she became PM? ( shouldn't )

I'll do an Andrew Neil on it. Slovenia, Slovakia. They are all foreign and therefore interchangeable.

Thanks Bigchoc peaceful protest is the way. And many more of them I hope. I was a delightful march

It was...although obvs I was too

"unilateral continuity" seems basically putting a gun to our own heads and threatening to blow our own brains out unless everyone surrenders to us

I've been concerned that there is an implicit putting the gun to Ireland's head, because the EU is known to be very concerned & sympathetic to RoI and NI, both wrt their economies and wrt risk of Troubles resuming.

I hope the big Tory donors are reminding the govt that Irish Republicans would probably go for a high value City of London bombing campaign - which would be the final straw for financial institutions that would be hit by Brexit.

Is the govt's determination to go for Hard Brexit because May is channelling H.L.Mencken ?
(1880-1956, incisive US social commentator)

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard"