Westministenders: Danger of "accidental" Brexit (whoops !) ?

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i.e. Brexit without a deal - NOT intentionally so - due to UK govt incompetence and mutual UK/EU misunderstandings

The govt is proceeding from abysmal ignorance on a Brexit journey which may blunder into disaster.

Prominent Leave campaigner Richard North:

"The UK Government's narrative seems to rest on the belief that the EU will cave in under pressure, and is thus giving every sign that it is prepared to push negotiations to the wire.

If, on the other hand, the EU are determined not to budge, especially as, with their own White Paper on "The Future of Europe" triggering internal discussions unrelated to Brexit, they are not necessarily fully focused on the "British problem".

As a result, we could end up with an "accidental Brexit",
where the UK negotiators overplay their hand, ending up in the UK leaving without an agreement, forcing it to rely on WTO rules.

Most likely, it will take very little to convince the EU that Mrs May is bluffing – as the effect of the WTO option is likely to be disastrous for the UK economy.

We could thus have each side misreading each other, making the accidental Brexit all the more likely."

www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86395

I'd be inclined to nod sagely and say 'well as my mum always used to say - if you fall out of that tree and break both your legs, don't come running to me' and walk off

I don't like to crow about others' misfortune (I will leave that to the people in the Brexit Arms)

No need.
The only 'crowing over others' misfortune' that happens on those threads is actually from certain Remain posters tbh.

Hashi - a good response, I am usually a bit lost for words. Fortunately my immediate family all voted Remain, although with varying degrees of commitment, so we don't argue at home. I am the only one marching tomorrow. DH not quite so committed (and anyway his knees are now a bit dodgy).

Ah, Semi with his "alternative facts" again...

Ukip: Access to European single market 'critical' for Welsh farmers post-Brexit

That actually made me lol.

It's not "crowing over others' misfortune" to think that people have to take responsibility for how they vote. I have exceedingly little sympathy for Welsh farmers who voted to leave, or for Trump voters who voted to have their healthcare taken away and their water poisoned. I regret that farmers may lose access to their export markets, or that poor white republicans may lose access to health insurance and clean water - because I think that free trade and universal healthcare and environmental protection are all good things that should be enjoyed by everyone. But I won't cry any crocodile tears over people who were free to cast their vote, and got the result they wanted.

Sympathy should be reserved for those farmers who voted Remain, and will now have suffer because of the votes cast by others, within and outside the agricultural community.

It's not "crowing over others' misfortune" to think that people have to take responsibility for how they vote.

Especially when Leavers keep telling us that we are patronising them when we say that they were lied to. No, they assure us, they knew exactly what they were doing. They wanted out of the hated EU and it was worth any price, to some of them.

It's particularly rich coming from UKIP too! LOL.

No I'm still going to feel sympathy for people who voted Leave if things go massively balls up. Just as I hope they would feel sympathy for me, if the vote had gone the other way and things had gone balls up. Realistically there will be people who suffer and people who benefit either way.

Ah, Semi with his "alternative facts" again...

What do you mean by this cardinal?
Please elaborate.

On meat and dairy the UK has a 15% supply gap. I assume if less trade with EU then the lost Welsh exports will fill it?

"On meat and dairy the UK has a 15% supply gap. I assume if less trade with EU then the lost Welsh exports will fill it?"

Welsh exports are mainly lamb, and there isn't enough demand in the UK to absorb them (and even if there was, the prices would fall due to excess supply, putting most farmers out of business).

Hang on, hang on 6 months ago if Brexiters were to be believed there would have been nothing to gloat about because Brexit was going to be wonderful. Now that project reality is setting in remainers are called gloaters for stating the bleeding obvious all along!

Very touchy some Leavers. Still they take their cue from Gove and Johnson - I have never seen such a sorry set of winners as I did on 24th June last year.

shurely we should be regloaters!

Oooh I like regloaters. Though it does sound like doing something dodgy to goats

well I will be remoaning and regloating like mad on Saturday. Am trying to persuade ds that its safe for him to come he got a bit worried after the attack at Westminster- any thoughts as to helpful things to say

Re gove and Johnson never have winners looked so sheepish

And after the rapture - article 50 - TM can sort out the gloats from the sheep!

Tell him that the additional police presence will make London the safest place in the country to be - and the march probably the safest place in London. Although the attack is dominating the news and news websites, it is not something that dominates Londoners' lives and that's the way it should be. Your son is hundreds of times more likely to be injured or killed journeying to London than he is by an act of terrorism there tomorrow or any other day. Brexit is infinitely more likely to do him harm than a religious maniac.

Meanwhile Lloyds of London are to announce the location for their new EU subsidiary when A 50 is triggered. What would it take Theresa May to realise that not bankrupting the country is more important than appeasing the right wing Tories?

If you read the btl comments on most news sites less and less people appear to be supportive of Brexit.

What would it take Theresa May to realise that not bankrupting the country is more important than appeasing the right wing Tories?

The risk of not being Prime Minister any more. The same thing that motivated David microbrain Cameron into holding such a useless referendum in the first place. Even my 6th form mock elections in 1983 had better parameters.

Ah yes, Cameron. Remind me when he was Prime Minister? At the moment Theresa May has little opposition but that won't last! I live in hope, but then we might get someone even worse - the field of talent in the Tory party is particularly thin right now.

Ah yes, Cameron. Remind me when he was Prime Minister?

Hopefully, as events unfold, "David Cameron" will be burned into the collective psyche, like Guy Fawkes, or Richard III. Irrespective of his political affiliations, and beliefs, he is one of the least honourable men to have ever held the office of Prime Minister.

Which - considering his last but one predecessor who lied to the people to further an illegal war is some achievement.

Even if we absolve him of the massive lack of judgement in holding such a pathetic referendum in the first place, his immediate resignation and failure to trigger A50 (which were assured is what would not happen and happen respectively in the event of a Leave win) should damn him forever.