Westministenders: Danger of "accidental" Brexit (whoops !) ?

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i.e. Brexit without a deal - NOT intentionally so - due to UK govt incompetence and mutual UK/EU misunderstandings

The govt is proceeding from abysmal ignorance on a Brexit journey which may blunder into disaster.

Prominent Leave campaigner Richard North:

"The UK Government's narrative seems to rest on the belief that the EU will cave in under pressure, and is thus giving every sign that it is prepared to push negotiations to the wire.

If, on the other hand, the EU are determined not to budge, especially as, with their own White Paper on "The Future of Europe" triggering internal discussions unrelated to Brexit, they are not necessarily fully focused on the "British problem".

As a result, we could end up with an "accidental Brexit",
where the UK negotiators overplay their hand, ending up in the UK leaving without an agreement, forcing it to rely on WTO rules.

Most likely, it will take very little to convince the EU that Mrs May is bluffing – as the effect of the WTO option is likely to be disastrous for the UK economy.

We could thus have each side misreading each other, making the accidental Brexit all the more likely."

www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86395

Btw isn't that a potential way of getting around election expenses rules? If it's not ukip or Tory it doesn't count does it?

I'm naturalised British not "British born".

Even worse, I support the breakup of the UK as I support Scottish independence.

I want to remain an EU citizen.

Should I be worried?

I gather that the people who run Curry houses are Not Happy. Priti Patel offered them more visas to bring staff in if they voted Leave, and has, of course, reneged on that promise. I won't link, it was a Daily Heil article and I don't click on their links on principle.

Priti Patel

can also fuck right off ...

I'm using your post just as an example, pretty - not directing this at you at all (if that makes sense?).

And May normalises 'British born' over 'British' to suggest there is a difference. All part of the same thing.

They're not the same thing though, RTB.
As you said, language matters and the nuances make a difference.

If May had said 'British' this would have opened up the assumptions of the twats to pontificate: "ah, so probably an immigrant who's come over here & got a passport"

As prettybird said:
"I'm naturalised British not "British born"."

What matters about saying 'British born' is that it leaves no doubt that the terrorist was entirely British: born, bred and nurtured.

It matters (imo) to point this out clearly:
Terrorists are not all
Terrorists are not all from
Terrorists are not British but originally from .

Terrorists can be British born too.
They are not always 'other'.

As we've discussed previously, the Civil Service is not yet ready

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/24/hundreds-civil-service-jobs-forbrexitnegotiators-have-not-filled/?WT.mcid=tmgshare_tw

"Two-thirds of the roles have been filled, mostly by transferring staff from elsewhere in government. There has not been a commensurate increase in the overall size of the civil service.”

.....so they've not been able to recruit people with the new skills required like trade negotiation

That's a fair point Semi

....although I wish I could be as confident that that was TM's intent in differentiating

.....so they've not been able to recruit people with the new skills required

I used to be a civil servant. If you know anything about their recruitment processes they are

s l o w.

So even if they advertised straight away in July, the successful applicants would be starting about now.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/03/all-27-things-wrong-today-s-daily-mail-front-cover
All 27 things wrong with today’s Daily Mail front cover

This is a genuis work of journalism.

www.itv.com/news/wales/2017-03-24/ukip-access-to-european-single-market-critical-for-welsh-farmers-post-brexit/
Ukip: Access to European single market 'critical' for Welsh farmers post-Brexit

Well...

Welsh fucking farmers should have fucking well thought about that before they voted, shouldn't they?

Cunts.

Sorry. I'm ill and rattyall fecking week today.

Oh, and I can't do strike-through any more

Peregrina - and that's even before they've further restricted the pool of those available by including "Brexit supporter" in amongst the requirements!

Love that article

The Daily Mail- like the splenetic but confused elderly relative that you always try to avoid at family gathering

Does remind me of the time the guardian ran a headline about how (shock, horror) you could buy the DNA for smallpox as primers (short bits of DNA that you can design and order). Was one of the most ridiculous, hysterical articles I've ever read. You can order primers for anything but it doesn't mean you can just synthesise the virus- the author had zero knowledge of molecular biology, it was hilariously silly.

the author had zero knowledge of molecular biology

So ? Experts are out, feelings are in.

Sorry, I forgot

It's a bit rich coming from Mark Reckless - an unfortunate name if there ever was.

I grew up in Wales, DB and some of his family still live there, so I have an affection still for the country. But honestly, Leave is what they voted for, so it's hard to sympathise. They were warned. So it's up to the Welsh farmers to seize the opportunities that Brexit presents to them.

I grew up in Wales, DB and some of his family still live there, so I have an affection still for the country. But honestly, Leave is what they voted for, so it's hard to sympathise

Is there a Mumsnet award I am unaware of ? Most understated post ? And if so, are you trying to win it ? .

I'd like to think that one of the best ways to inoculate ourselves against Brexit, is to be as hard-nosed/arsed as possible when there is even the slightest hint of "woe is me" from anyone who voted for it. Whether individually or (as in the Welsh farmers case) collectively. It needs to be stamped on immediately with well, that's what you voted for and moving on.

We don't know Welsh farmers specifically voted for Brexit but, if they did, could their concerns be a sign that public opinion is beginning to turn against Leave as we have predicted it would? Coincidentally, QT came from Bangor last night and seemed to have a larger than usual Remain presence in the audience.

LH - I don't like to crow about others' misfortune (I will leave that to the people in the Brexit Arms), but what do you say to people who voted against their own interests? DB didn't incidentally, but he this his DD and SonIL did - both of whom are likely to be badly affected, much more than he is.

'thinks his DD...' he daren't ask. With a Westminster Govt which has ignored Wales for I don't know how many hundreds of years, why would anyone think that they will suddenly become interested now?

but what do you say to people who voted against their own interests?

What do you say ?