The Brexit Arms A50 Celebration Thread

[BrexitArmsLandLady]

Welcome all - Leavers & Remainers
Article 50 being triggered next week, exciting times ahead.

Thanks to SurferJet for running the pub thus far! You're a diamond 💎 💎

Cheers 🍻
Brexit Ahoy! 🇬🇧 🇬🇧 🇬🇧

'Bit early but wine for surfer, semi and all celebrating leavers.'

Yeah - celebrating the moment here too - cheers.

Raising a glass here at Sheldon Towers Happy A50 day thankyou for the threads Surferjet, for your contributions and the good times WinchesterWoman, Elfontheshelf, Wrongtrouser, Semi, Olympia. And all the fellow moderate, conscientious thoughtful lLeavers who've endured months of abuse and vitriol and are still posting

Logic explained.

mathwithbaddrawings.com/2017/03/29/logic-made-easy/#more-6015

It is not always as straightforward as If A then B.

Average Remainer, in the Arms at least, seems to be a bit subversive.

If fear of remainers saying "I told you so" will stop someone speaking out for what they think is right, then I don't have a lot of respect for them.
You guys won, remember. People disagreeing with you is not some kind of oppression.
Voting for major change, then becoming completely disinterested in the aftermath because it's "boring", or because someone made a sweeping generalistion you didn't like, is akin to letting off a huge fart and walking out of the room.

What is the correct etiquette in such unfortunate circumstances squishy? I can't see the moral virtue in standing squirming and pretending not to notice the stench.

Well you could at least open a window!

" is akin to letting off a huge fart and walking out of the room."

If you have a scapegoat you don't need to leave the room. Some people just blame the blameless cat or dog in the room.

Squishy. I do not have a lot of respect for people who make assumptions about other people based on their own agenda, and which does not represent those they judge.

Yet Remainers have continued to vilify all Leavers, painting them with the same brush as extremists, and can really not understand why Leavers are not owning the 'fart' and declaring loud and proud it's origin? I don't tell people I voted leave unless asked, despite wishing to join with Remainers and push for a moderate Brexit deal.

Olympia, howabout, Scary - finally it begins!
(And 🍻 to all other Leavers obvs, regulars & lurkers alike).

Infinite, inkanta

BoredOfBrexit & FullMrexit are hopefully lurking - cheers to you too!
And Rorty who was very deliberately misconstrued yesterday as per the usual tactics.

And obvs WinchesterWoman, Claig et al.

And HELOOOO! to SmallFox too (lest we forget!)

I am sorry if you feel that way Olympia. I didn't mean to attack people on this thread - I know that none of us have that much power anyway, in reality. I was getting frustrated at those in the public sphere, and in leadership positions who do have influence and projecting a bit.
A lot of leave campaigners who promised that "Brexit doesn't mean... [leaving the single market/trade barriers/bonfire of rights/reduced opportunities/leaving Eurotom/walking away from mutully beneficial projects/etc/etc/etc/.....]" have now gone really quiet - right when it would be useful for them to push for those good things they said we could keep.

But are you really more concerned by what some remainers say about leavers, than you are about the impact of a hard Brexit? You are not obliged to tell anyone in real life how you voted, of course.

And try to remember that some of the angriest remainers are people who have been told that they will lose their jobs, or are worried about the lives they have built being ripped apart in one way or another. I am not saying that makes it OK to tar all leavers with the same brush, nor throw around accusations of extremism, but it is hard to maintain your composure when you are terrified that your life, or that of you loved ones is about to be ripped apart for reasons you don't understand. Especially when there is a fair amount of goading and crowing coming from the "winners". A bit more empathy and compassion from both sides would be nice, don't you think?

Well, the thing that unites Leave voters is that they all voted leave. As much as it's galling to hear some of them being interviewed on the radio and saying how they've been terrified to talk about immigration for years and now they're looking forward to being able to talk about it, I don't really care if some of the leave voters don't think that way. They still signed up with those who did, and voted us out of the EU, which is something that very slightly fewer than half the people who voted in the Referendum are obviously unhappy with. And have a perfect right to be so.

With regard to leavers poking their head above the parapet and trying to have an influence on the direction of Brexit - remainers would have done well to consider this point well before now and certainly before the nasty personal insults and the negative generalisation of half the population. As far as I am concerned that bridge has been burnt. As the saying goes 'Act in Haste, Repent at Leisure'.

Howabout - I have a new batch of unicorn biscuits in the oven

to all the regulars (and guests and lurkers] of the Brexit Arms.

As far as I am concerned that bridge has been burnt. As the saying goes 'Act in Haste, Repent at Leisure'

Well, quite.

The nasty personal insults and negative generalisations were thrown both ways, time.

Maybe "Act in Haste, Repent at Leisure" should be the Brexit slogan.

Squishy - quite a lot of people have been waiting 40 years to leave .

Some have spent 40 years blaming everything bad on the EU.
40 years claiming that things would be so much better, we would be so much more affluent and happy outside.
There are some big promises to live up to.
And it won't be remainers fault anymore if things don't go the way you want.
It wont be remainers fault either if moderate leavers feel unable to stand up to bigoted leavers. If you don't want to be tarred with the same brush as bigots, then tell them that they don't speak for you.

Some remainers have been very rude about leavers

Some leavers have been very rude about remainers

to all my leaver friends, it's been a tough 9 months taking all the crap they could throw at us & more. They tried every trick in the book to defy the will of the people & to totally disregard democracy.
To the Gina Millers, the Nick Cleggs & the Tony Blairs - you tried to screw us over but you FAILED! So stick your faux concern for the UK up your arse - today is our day.

Cheers my leaver friends.

It's done!

Hurrah 😁

If you don't want to be tarred with the same brush as bigots, then tell them that they don't speak for you

I find this really fascinating. Who has been saying that all leave voters should be "tarred with the same brush" as the bigots? Who?

I have said and done nothing to suggests that I am racist, xenophobic or bigoted. Some people have decided that I am, due to the fact that I voted leave. I'm sorry, but it is not my responsibility to prove that this is an unfair slur. It is the responsibility of the people making the slur to stop doing it and apologise.

Can I try an analogy? If some random starts insulting me as a woman, for example saying that like all women, I am over-emotional and not rational is it then my responsibilty to explain to them why I am not over-emotional and not rational and that it is unreasonable to make an incorrect generalisation about women and me in particular?

Should I spend my time trying to convince them of the error of their ways? Is it my fault if they don't believe me? If someone overhears, who thinks women are irrational , is it my responsibility to rush after them and grovellingly explain that, no, I am really not over-emotional and not rational?

Or would I be entitled to tell the person insulting me to sling their hook?

And is it that person's responsibility to stop spouting rubbish?

If people spread untruths about leave voters, it is not the responsibility of leave voters to challenge these untruths. It is the responsibility of people to stop telling untruths.

^^ That was me

to Inkanta, Infinite, boredofbrexit, brexitpup and all

At least i can say i made an effort on these threads

Rufus You are a beacon of reasonableness and niceness

Analogy doesn't work, Woodpigeon. You didn't choose to be a woman - women are a biological fact and they're all different. You did choose to vote Leave - it wasn't a random and unalterable fact of your being. You made a conscious decision (I assume).