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The Brexit Arms A50 Celebration Thread

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BrexitArmsLandLady · 20/03/2017 22:38

Welcome all - Leavers & Remainers Wine
Article 50 being triggered next week, exciting times ahead.

Thanks to SurferJet for running the pub thus far! You're a diamond 💎 💎

Cheers 🍻
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WrongTrouser · 28/03/2017 19:59

Cheers Rorty WineWineWine for tomorrow

Bearbehind · 28/03/2017 20:46

On the subject of not being 'convinced' A50 will get invoked- even today, I'm actually still not sure it will happen as predicted.

Not because of any delusion that this can ultimately be stopped, but because of the fact those in control have no fucking idea what is happening so nothing is certain.

Corcory · 28/03/2017 21:18

You mean they haven't told you what they are doing Bear so they must have 'no fucking idea'!!!!

Imjustapoorboy · 28/03/2017 21:57

We have a right to know what is happening. They are our elected representatives

This is something that many people forget. May et al do not just represent leavers. They represent the whole of the UK

The deal has to be one that is fair for all. If it's not then they are not representing the whole of the UK. Its not a football game. We all have to live with the result

That's why everyone will be dissapointed.

Imjustapoorboy · 28/03/2017 21:59

It is what is called a democracy. Ours does not just represent and protect the majority. The minorities have a right to be respected and represented. In this case if you believe remainers are still in the minority then we gave a right to be heard and protected within the deal

howabout · 28/03/2017 22:02

tbf if 65 million of us turn up at the negotiating table and start putting our varying pov in the style of this establishment I wouldn't blame the EU for being a bit peed off. Much better to leave the people I pay to get on with it. Government, Parliament, Civil service all better informed than us and paid by us to sort it all out. Even Scotland fans are not disappointed this week Wine

Imjustapoorboy · 28/03/2017 22:08

How about really? Hhmmm

Yes they are paid to represent me as well as you. Blind faith in people who I wouldn't trust to negotiate on a second hand car is not reassuring

It's a bit harking back to the paternalistic 1950s still of democracy no?

Corcory · 28/03/2017 22:18

We have the right to know what exactly Poorboy?

howabout · 28/03/2017 22:20

The HoC and the HoL are majority Remain as is the PCP. I am pretty sure the minority PoV is being represented in the organs of democracy I referenced.

I presume they would all be useless at second hand car deals although many of them are rumoured to be very good on second homes and maxing out the expense account just like their EU counterparts.

WrongTrouser · 28/03/2017 22:27

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/28/theresa-may-to-call-on-britons-to-unite-as-she-triggers-article-50

“When I sit around the negotiating table in the months ahead, I will represent every person in the whole United Kingdom – young and old, rich and poor, city, town, country and all the villages and hamlets in between. And yes, those EU nationals who have made this country their home,” she will say

The Brexit Arms A50 Celebration Thread
TheWoodlander · 28/03/2017 22:56

And you honestly believe she'll do that WrongTrouser? Honestly?

She's more right wing than Thatcher - and while I was relieved to have someone who wasn't Andrea Leadsome in charge, post-referendum - damn - May doesn't give a shit about the poor.

WrongTrouser · 28/03/2017 23:15

Speaking as someone who detested Thatcher, I really don't agree with your assessment of Theresa May. I think she has handled Brexit well so far and, yes, I have confidence in her.

Cailleach1 · 28/03/2017 23:20

Aah, WrongTrouser, nothing like a fairytale at bed time.

Howabout, I think it is more the fact these schools are more concentrated and there is a choice in London. A german speaker in Whitby (e.g) wouldn't have the choice of a german school for their child.

I also know a couple who both go to church every week to get their child into a C of E school. Every single Sunday they pile in. They are not taking any chances. Children are bilingual by the way.

WrongTrouser · 28/03/2017 23:49

Sneering. Great.

Cailleach1 · 28/03/2017 23:59

I'm entitled to refer to May's sweetie pr speeches in any way I wish. As everyone else is too. That fairytale is as sincere as the JAM speech, I suspect.

WrongTrouser · 29/03/2017 00:17

You are entitled to say whatever you like within the posting guidelines. I am just very tired of being talked down to by various remain posters. I've been discussing Brexit on these threads since before the referendum and it never ceases to amaze me that despite the huge number of things which have not turned out as some remain voters kept telling us they would, amongst a certain hardcore there never, ever seems to be even the flicker of awareness of the possibility that perhaps they don't have some inate and all-encompassing insight into the world and the future and that perhaps their view of themselves as the intelllectual and moral superiors of leave voters is misplaced.

I will leave these for my fellow celebrators for tomorrow Gin Wine Gin

Imjustapoorboy · 29/03/2017 00:21

Curious I am left winger who has never detested thatcher. Disagreed yes. However she loved her country. May loves power

twofingerstoEverything · 29/03/2017 06:53

When I sit around the negotiating table in the months ahead, I will represent every person in the whole United Kingdom

Really? She doesn't represent me, or the millions like me.

LondonMum8 · 29/03/2017 08:04

Brexit is basically about bitter people dragging everyone else down with them (except for the 0.5% who might profit in some way). Who is going to pay the gigantic cost of leaving the EU? More broadly, how much rax do Remainers contribute compared to Brexiters? Most experts agree Britain's loss of the European gateway and hub status will cost the economy dearly. Basically, Brexiters celebrate their chance to see successful people suffer, a bloody nose for the middle class. There also seems to be an underlying Brexiter assumption that things cannot get worse for them - well, this will almost surely get tested.

PoundlandUK · 29/03/2017 08:41

www.indy100.com/article/how-old-people-have-screwed-over-the-younger-generationin-three-charts--W1AA_n4nEb?amp

I'm assuming you're not inviting kids to the celebrations Hmm.

squishysquirmy · 29/03/2017 08:43

Given that Leave voters and campaigners are not a homogenous lot, it would be nice to see some pressure coming from leavers who aren't incredibly right wing, and who don't want to see all EU immigrants cruelly expelled, and who don't want to see workers rights and environmental protection slashed.

Because at the moment, the only pressure on the government seems to be coming from the extreme right wing fringes.
These fringes want a bonfire of rights and regulations, and they are prepared to sacrifice the economy for the sake of looking tough on immigration. I am not saying there is anything racist with wanting to reduce immigration, but draconian controls that unfairly punish those who have built a life here is nasty and stupid, especially if we make those whom we rely on (NHS nurses for eg) feel unwelcome.
A "bonfire of red tape" sounds terrific, until you realise that some of those regulations made your life better. Its not all about bendy bananas.

I am hoping that once A50 is triggered, many of the leavers who put an awful amount of time moaning about Remoaners will divert some of that energy to scrutinising what the government is doing, and speaking out against the extreme rightwing fringe.
I really hope that once A50 is triggered, we see more high profile leavers doing this too.

I know that many leave voters did not vote to plummet off a cliff edge without a trade agreement for the sake of punishing EU migrants.
I know that many leavers did not vote for further cuts, a bonfire of rights and rolling back environmental protections. (I also know that some did!).

I really hope that enough moderate leavers now feel secure enough that Brexit is actually happening, to criticise the direction we are being dragged in. Whatever is done, will be done in your name. They are certainly not listening to remainers, but maybe they'll listen to you.

WrongTrouser · 29/03/2017 09:18

Brexit is basically about bitter people dragging everyone else down with them

Basically, Brexiters celebrate their chance to see successful people suffer, a bloody nose for the middle class

Listen to yourself. Inform yourself of the facts before you start doing cod psychology on people you don't know.

Where I live we voted more than 70% leave. People here are not bitter, they have good lives, a good standard of living (the vast majority). Some of us are even middle class and successful people. I know! Amazing isn't it?

If you have to resort to saying people voted leave out of bitterness, you really need to develop a slightly more sophisticated analysis.

I know, how about people voted leave because they don't want to be in the EU? No, surely not, it's just that 37% of the electorate are bitter failures Hmm

WrongTrouser · 29/03/2017 09:27

I'm assuming you're not inviting kids to the celebrations

I don't know what motivated your vote but I voted leave for my children's futures.

I tell you what, to save everyone a lot of time on this auspicious day, as I know that whenever we take a step towards leaving the EU, some posters feel the need to ramp up the anti-leave voter rhetoric, I will just summarise in advance:

You leavers are all stupid, un-educated, xenophobic, racist, inward looking, failures, bitter, easily led, poor, rich, don't care about your children or future generations, right wing, Trump supporters, little Englanders...

WrongTrouser

No, we're not.

Good to get that out of the way.

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 29/03/2017 09:29

it would be nice to see some pressure coming from leavers who aren't incredibly right wing, and who don't want to see all EU immigrants cruelly expelled, and who don't want to see workers rights and environmental protection slashed

Yes, I wonder why that doesn't happen Hmm

WrongTrouser · 29/03/2017 09:41

So a plea from squishy for moderate leavers to try to influence the direction of Brexit (fair enough) and then a sneery post from Seek, in the face of the evidence (countless polls showing that a huge majority of all voters want EU nationals to be given the right to remain) and TM's speech

I will represent every person in the whole United Kingdom .... And yes, those EU nationals who have made this country their home,” she will say

implying that leave voters want EU nationals "cruelly expelled"

Anyone see a problem here?

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