The Brexit Arms A50 Celebration Thread

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Welcome all - Leavers & Remainers
Article 50 being triggered next week, exciting times ahead.

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Hospitals are understrain because of government mismanagement. NHS would collapse without EU workers

They would collapse now because of high population increase over a short period of time.
Yes, some mismanagement, some underfunding, but mostly imported EU workers are here because of rapid rise in immigration. we have crazy situation where EU workers are servicing EU patients.

They are here legally. Working. Contributing. I don't believe i should jump the NHS queue because I'm born here.

disagreeing with someone else's opinion is not being "intolerant

My goodness, Squishy. the intolerance I speak of is far more serious than different opinion. it is an intolerance to freedom of women to go about their way of life and behaviour for one. It also includes utter disdain for how we live in the West.

EU immigrants is not the biggest squeeze on NHS funding:

www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/the-facts-eu-immigration-and-pressure-on-the-nhs#are-eu-immigrants-driving-current-pressure-on-the-nhs

We estimate that in 2014, migration from the EU added £160 million in additional costs for the NHS across the UK.

The same technique suggests that £1.4 billion in additional costs were caused by other changes in the number and age of people in the UK. The biggest contributor to this was the growing and ageing native population, as well as immigration from outside the EU.

I have seen and heard only anti-brexit people making trouble in the streets, going on demos, etc. to do what ..... overturn election result

Which election?

But as you mention it:
www.uniteforeurope.org

I'm still interested in the sources of your ideas, they seem very European.

I see I was also right about the Islamophobia.

I don't believe i should jump the NHS queue because I'm born here

Not jumping queue, Grimes. Because of swift rise in population, everything takes much much longer and outpatient medicine as practised now is imo not safe. You see doctor and he orders an investigation; you receive date for this investigation but it is 4 months away. You have investigation and then have to return to see doctor. Another 3-4 month wait (in London anyway). This is not joined-up treatment.

That is the impact of population rise.

Magnus - Have you heard of Europhobia? It exists, but you speak only of Islamophobia.

svetlana you were the one that posted: the intolerance I speak of is far more serious than different opinion. it is an intolerance to freedom of women to go about their way of life and behaviour for one. It also includes utter disdain for how we live in the West.

I am neither Islamaphobic or Europhobic. I am somewhat phobic of those that blame EU migrants for all the ills of the UK though.

I've not seen much tolerance and respect for the rule of law post referendum Svetlana.

Conversely, I see tolerance & respect for the law on a daily basis.

Perhaps it is the areas in which you spend your time that are colouring your perspective Ghost?

Going on a demo is not making trouble it's called democracy. That thing brexiters used to scream about.

Am yet to meet any 'screaming Brexiters' - you seem to rely on hyperbole somewhat in your attempts to make a point.

EU migration or via the EU has been the biggest contributor to the rise in population in the UK. What is incorrect about that?
My house can only contain a maximum number of people before we all stop functioning well and little is done well. same for country.

I see we've moved on from bashing immigrants to bashing vulnerable Brits.

Where is this?

I am perplexed as to what thread you are reading.

I do not see either, Semi.
Just shows that some do not read posts thoroughly.

Non-EU migration to the UK has been always been higher than EU migration over the last 10 years though svetlana and therefore the larger element of population increase by migration.

From which countries, Magnus?

Andy Haldane (BoE) talking about the monetary policy / unemployment trade off a couple of days back. Admitted that the UK productivity gap is partly due to protecting 1.5 million jobs during the years since 2008. Sounds like a reasonable trade off until considering the impact of 150k per year net EU migration for the last 10 years - so now we have 1.5 million more low paid jobs and a corresponding number of EU migrants and a productivity gap with Germany, which exercised much tighter monetary policy.

You can check the migration stats for yourself on the ONS website svetlana. I know how much you like looking up facts and figures for yourself

150k per year of migrants does not stay 150k of course. If you replace one person moving to UK by 4, that is more accurate in some cases.

A singleton will sooner or later set up home and produce children. the partner may still be living overseas but moves here, marries and two children are produced - maybe within 5 years. Queue: extra call on GP, maternity, kindergarten, housing, etc. Okay, the kids did not move here, but they are part of the population increase that would otherwise not have occurred.

If people in this country (immigrants or otherwise) are breaking the law- eg discriminating against women or preventing others from going about their business in a legal way, they should be held to account. If our laws are not sufficient to deal with this, we should improve them but those laws should apply to everyone (including white men who are also capable of misogeny, btw.)
I don't deny that there is a problem with intolerance and misogeny, but the answer to this is never more intolerance. That just means that the women from those communities (who you care so much about, right?) face discrimination and curtails to freedom from two fronts - on account of their sex and their religion.

the partner may still be living overseas but moves here

Then they would be included in the migration statistics, wouldn't they?

"it is an intolerance to freedom of women to go about their way of life and behaviour for one."

Like this charming guy:
www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/i-dont-want-him-go-12777099#ICID=sharebar_facebook

Are there Muslim men who are misogenistic twats? Yes.
But if you want me to turn against all members of a religion or race, because some of those members are twats, and you want me to do so in the name of "British values" like tolerance, then no. Fuck that noise.

Semi the entire pub thread was built on Brexit hyperbole. There were plenty of leavers complaining about the high court and Gina miller. I'm expected to believe there is a special type of leaver never taken in by the tabloid headlines, people like Johnson and farage. These leavers have their own special reasons for Brexit they just don't want to share them.

Squishy - You persist in talking about this matter as if it is just difference of opinion. it is a totally different world view. No law can prevent bad attitude. if you want to see real misogyny that has the power of life or death over a woman, I suggest you travel a bit more.

Then they would be included in the migration statistics, wouldn't they?

That is right.