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Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.

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RedToothBrush · 15/03/2017 12:03

Its time for the suicide. The note will say simply, "The EU made us do it".

David Davies, says that despite May’s assertion that no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK, that actually we don’t know this as he hasn’t got round to quantifying the impact of no deal.

He still has no answers for anything apart from “I dunno” and “I’ll do it later”. I can’t wait for when the dog ate my homework excuse.

After 9 months. That’s how far we’ve got. Brexit negotiation skills will have 18 months (not 2 years as it’ll need to be ratified). We are still hiring people for the Brexit department. What about all these EU agencies that the UK will have to replicate and hire and train up in 2 years time?

I’m still waiting for Davies to tell me what all these potential benefits he keeps going on about are too. Benefits for who exactly? Ah yes we know the answer to this one too, even if its not being said. Its political elites and elites with lots of money who can consolidate power and enslave the population through debt and desperation. Goodie. Just what I’ve always wanted. As long as I can wave my Union Jack. Oh. Shit. Bugger.

Nicola Sturgeon, has been doing a good job of showing Brexiteers exactly what they look like to Remainers by holding up the mirror of irony to the Vampires of the 19th Century State. The sight of them tripping over themselves saying its irrational to hold a ‘blind vote’ and that the economic argument is flawed is hilarious. If you are not British.

Hammond has been forced to u-turn on NIC budget announcement as it was not in the spirit of the manifesto. What happened to the manifesto pledge to the protect interests in the Single Market. Lets be honest, the New Tory Manifesto read simply: “We’ll wing it and see what we can get away with”. I wonder how many people would vote for that.

Its Brexit at all costs. No matter what. We must keep the foreigners out. Even though Davis hasn’t done an assessment on the financial impact of migration. Just think about that for a second. Actually don’t because you might actually want to shoot yourself in the head.

At best the government are still relying on Game Theory as a basis for their negotiations and the EU are already going, “Er we don’t think so”.

Perhaps this is the intention of May’s tour to build consensus. She’s handing out guns and bullets to anyone who displays rational thought, to blow their own brains out.

May’s weakness is her manner and her chip on her shoulder for the law. Her own party are not immune to it. She seems to think trade deals are not done based on goodwill. May’s weakness is Britain’s folly.

Pass the blindfolds round, and get on your knees and await our own execution by our own hands.

Bang.

RIP The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland. I will remember you with nostalgic fondness but equally with bitterness and shame. Our finest hours are long since passed (and were tainted with the excesses of exploitation anyway) and we must accept this as part of the process of ‘accepting Brexit’.

Now its time for the empty hand to start being shown and the blame game to begin in earnest. The politics of hate have only just begun and the divorce has not started yet. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar are the kids we might not get custody of.

We’ll be blacking up again, running around groping women like Benny Hill and pushing people back into the closet as we hit the off switch before you know it. As well as having nice shiny new ID cards we’ll have to pay for the privilege of owning and carrying at all times, to prove we aren’t nasty illegal immigrants or those equally nasty legal ones clogging up our NHS (by working for it).

Don’t worry though. Uncle Donny will save us. If he doesn’t die suddenly after eating a bowl of Russia soup or have a fatal heart attack after accidentally falling out of a tenth story window.

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HashiAsLarry · 16/03/2017 07:49

Can someone more knowledgeable confirm this for me?
It looks like the Electoral Commission has fined them but there's still a possibility of the CPS investigating them too.

Badders123 · 16/03/2017 07:52

Surely someone has got to be prosecuted?
One of the disputed wins is the county next to mine (and no doubt my pils voted for the tory who won) so I'm very interested!

HashiAsLarry · 16/03/2017 07:53

In the meantime, this should cheer everyone up.

Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.
Badders123 · 16/03/2017 07:55

They are trying to put Armando ianucci out of a job aren't they?

Motheroffourdragons · 16/03/2017 08:01

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Badders123 · 16/03/2017 08:12

The only way to get rid of him is for him to resign. He won't do that.

lalalonglegs · 16/03/2017 08:22

The Electoral Commission has very limited powers but its report and the subsequent fine will, I think, may criminal prosecutions almost impossible to avoid. The EC is a very conservative (with a small c) organisation, it wouldn't have fined without overwhelming evidence. Likewise, the Conservatives (with a big C) wouldn't have agreed to pay up unless it had no choice, no chance of appeal.

The question is, who will take the blame for this? And will there be re-runs in the constituencies under question?

lalalonglegs · 16/03/2017 08:24

make not may

Peregrina · 16/03/2017 08:24

I just wonder when all this bad news piling up for the Tories is going to be sufficient to break them, or cause mass defections from the party? Any one of these scandals would have finished another party ages ago.

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prettybird · 16/03/2017 08:30

I'm cynical about whether the fine will result in any substantive outcomes. Sad

In Orkney, 4 voters (not all SNP) had to take out a private prosecution against Carmichael for having lied to win the election.

They lost their case but on a point of law - so obscure that the judge didn't award costs to Carmichael (running into hundreds of thousands I believe). The judge agreed that Carmichael had deliberately lied but iirc, the point of law was that it couldn't be proved that it had had an impact on how people voted ConfusedAngry

BigChocFrenzy · 16/03/2017 08:33

As we keep saying, these are not normal times.
Brexit trumps all high crimes & misdemeanours, all cockups, all incompetence in office.
Brexit trumps all.

Rather the combination of Brexit - to switch off the critical faculties of much of the nation

  • and the vacuum where an official Opposition Opposition should be holding the govt to account.

I expect Labout will need 10 years to look a credible govt and to be forgiven for Corbyn.

I expect the Tories to win the next 2 GEs at least and - with a change or two of leader / sacrificial lamb - possibly remain in power until 2030

lalalonglegs · 16/03/2017 08:41

Grifone - thanks for the Irish Times article, Kathy Sheridan has completely nailed the situation. I take some small comfort from the fact that it is obvious to those in the rEU that not all English people are mouth-frothing Brexiteers.

TheElementsSong · 16/03/2017 09:32

We also have this going on. Why does TM have such a bizarre and extreme obsession with keeping all the forriners out? Surely the number of people this (hating foreign students so much that we should consider destroying our universities to keep them away) plays positively with are actually vanishingly small?

Downing Street has rushed to shut down yet another cabinet row about overseas students, after Liam Fox indicated he thinks they should be removed from official immigration statistics.

Theresa May’s spokesman said her decision to keep recording foreign students within the figures remains in place, following the International Trade Secretary’s comments this morning.

Dr Fox said to MPs at a hearing in Parliament that he had told Home Secretary Amber Rudd the country should not “underestimate the value” students brought to the UK.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/liam-fox-theresa-may-students-immigration-philip-hammond-boris-johnson-a7632016.html

GreenPeppers · 16/03/2017 09:35

10 more years of Conservative at the head of the country???
I fear what the country will look like TBH.

Kaija · 16/03/2017 09:35

Charisma of Albert Steptoe is a bit generous, hashi

GreenPeppers · 16/03/2017 09:37

Elements I can only guess that actually TM is very xenophobic (if not also racist).

Because otherwise it just doesn't make sense at all.....
You know the whole thing about globalisation and the positive effect on the economy etc etc

HashiAsLarry · 16/03/2017 09:52

Sorry mother

lala I suspected that too, the fine and the not fighting it is an admission of guilt. Which surely helps the cps make a case.

So much rubbished as polls have been recently... the American election wasn't wrong in regards to the popular vote just in the conversion to collage seats, the referendum was within tolerable limits, only 2015 was a real anomaly. We now know why as bigchoc pointed out: fraud. So we either accept polls are actually fine as long as no one cheats or we advises pollsters to build in a higher cheating factor.

LurkingHusband · 16/03/2017 09:52

Downing Street has rushed to shut down yet another cabinet row about overseas students, after Liam Fox indicated he thinks they should be removed from official immigration statistics.

Is Dr. Fox going native ? (And yes, I use that phrase in the deliberate knowledge of it's murky origins within the British Empire Officer Class).

whatwouldrondo · 16/03/2017 09:54

The Scientists on the cutting edge of Science in the U.K. are very worried. Sadiq mentioned the exciting things that are going on in the Life Sciences, research that will not just deliver sustainable foods and energy but big improvements to our health outcomes " “The next 5 to 10 years are all about damage limitation,” says Stephen Curry, a structural biologist at ICL. “It’s deeply depressing.”. www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/03/uk-scientists-prepare-impending-break-european-union

Badders123 · 16/03/2017 10:00

Toyota to invest in burnaston fsctory

What do they know that we don't??

Very glad to hear it though as I know many who work there

Peregrina · 16/03/2017 10:03

My first thought about Toyota? What bung have they been offered?

Badders123 · 16/03/2017 10:06

Yep
Mine too
Nissan will be the same
We will pay through the nose to keep them here
Ffs

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