Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.

[RedToothBrush]

Its time for the suicide. The note will say simply, "The EU made us do it".

David Davies, says that despite May’s assertion that no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK, that actually we don’t know this as he hasn’t got round to quantifying the impact of no deal.

He still has no answers for anything apart from “I dunno” and “I’ll do it later”. I can’t wait for when the dog ate my homework excuse.

After 9 months. That’s how far we’ve got. Brexit negotiation skills will have 18 months (not 2 years as it’ll need to be ratified). We are still hiring people for the Brexit department. What about all these EU agencies that the UK will have to replicate and hire and train up in 2 years time?

I’m still waiting for Davies to tell me what all these potential benefits he keeps going on about are too. Benefits for who exactly? Ah yes we know the answer to this one too, even if its not being said. Its political elites and elites with lots of money who can consolidate power and enslave the population through debt and desperation. Goodie. Just what I’ve always wanted. As long as I can wave my Union Jack. Oh. Shit. Bugger.

Nicola Sturgeon, has been doing a good job of showing Brexiteers exactly what they look like to Remainers by holding up the mirror of irony to the Vampires of the 19th Century State. The sight of them tripping over themselves saying its irrational to hold a ‘blind vote’ and that the economic argument is flawed is hilarious. If you are not British.

Hammond has been forced to u-turn on NIC budget announcement as it was not in the spirit of the manifesto. What happened to the manifesto pledge to the protect interests in the Single Market. Lets be honest, the New Tory Manifesto read simply: “We’ll wing it and see what we can get away with”. I wonder how many people would vote for that.

Its Brexit at all costs. No matter what. We must keep the foreigners out. Even though Davis hasn’t done an assessment on the financial impact of migration. Just think about that for a second. Actually don’t because you might actually want to shoot yourself in the head.

At best the government are still relying on Game Theory as a basis for their negotiations and the EU are already going, “Er we don’t think so”.

Perhaps this is the intention of May’s tour to build consensus. She’s handing out guns and bullets to anyone who displays rational thought, to blow their own brains out.

May’s weakness is her manner and her chip on her shoulder for the law. Her own party are not immune to it. She seems to think trade deals are not done based on goodwill. May’s weakness is Britain’s folly.

Pass the blindfolds round, and get on your knees and await our own execution by our own hands.

Bang.

RIP The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland. I will remember you with nostalgic fondness but equally with bitterness and shame. Our finest hours are long since passed (and were tainted with the excesses of exploitation anyway) and we must accept this as part of the process of ‘accepting Brexit’.

Now its time for the empty hand to start being shown and the blame game to begin in earnest. The politics of hate have only just begun and the divorce has not started yet. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar are the kids we might not get custody of.

We’ll be blacking up again, running around groping women like Benny Hill and pushing people back into the closet as we hit the off switch before you know it. As well as having nice shiny new ID cards we’ll have to pay for the privilege of owning and carrying at all times, to prove we aren’t nasty illegal immigrants or those equally nasty legal ones clogging up our NHS (by working for it).

Don’t worry though. Uncle Donny will save us. If he doesn’t die suddenly after eating a bowl of Russia soup or have a fatal heart attack after accidentally falling out of a tenth story window.

If Comey is intimating that Russia assisted in Trump's election, will the same happen here?

Illegal election funding practice enabled tory win in over 20 seats. Dodgy funding for leave in NI and mainland. And Putin/ alt right funded trolls and CA data trawling.

May's 'victories' are built on anti democratic practices. And definitely traitorous interference from foreign powers.

Don't worry mother
I have firm for this. I could read #jesuischarlie properly. I kept reading it as Jesus Charlie, and wondering what Charlie had done this time

Form for this
Couldn't read

Ffs

As well as election fraud, May's government is implementing Bannon policy too: attack judiciary, and today's tory attack on BBC's reporting of brexit on trotskyite CountryFile.

Attacking judiciary and media is a totalitarian characteristic ( alongside the idiotic way brexit is reported to those who only read british press).

"Corbyn, in a fit of pique, refused to attend Khan's inauguration."

What an arse .

Mother In parallel to Russian involvement in election fraud in US, are the conflict of interest investigations into Kushner, Tillerson et al.

Like here, their supporters will be cross if/when their choice is removed from office. It's not as if they're going to move on through well argued, cogent and fact based debate. And the Faustian compromise of trade deals for power, which appears to have been made, are internationally dangerous. Do not fuck with a poor humiliated digitally savvy country, would be the takeaway.

And as well as our own election fraud here are some known Russian links to British establishment:
^British banks handled vast sums of laundered Russian money
Exclusive: Billions of dollars were moved out of Russia in ‘Global Laundromat’ operation, with anonymously owned UK companies playing major role^
www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/20/british-banks-handled-vast-sums-of-laundered-russian-money

Not sure that the SNP/Indy supporters want his support

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/20/jim-dowson-back-scottish-independence-patriotic-news-agency-far-right

In fact, as Paul Kavanagh, aka Wee Ginger Dug, one promininent Indy blogger has tweeted

@weegingerdug: Fascist Jim Dowson can fuck off. He can fuck off so far he orbits the world & comes back & can fuck off some more. https://t.co/iqjeuH4Gctt^

Quite.

I think Valentine is misjudging the mood of the 20 somethings. I think Corbyn did inspire some excitement that there was a politician at last speaking up for young people and who had principles. I remember the excitement in social media when it emerged he had chosen to announce his run at the leadership on the steps of a London university.

However that has all evaporated. He is now seen as a nice man with principles but not a leader by both those on the left and centre. Momentum is also viewed with extreme scepticism, too many leaks of racism, homophobia and misogyny. All three are not negotiable amongst that generation.

woman Barbara Castle was a regular and subversive speaker at my school. The Headmistress sent me out into the world with the words "you always were one of our naughtier pupils", without Barbara Castle impishly egging us on it might never have been possible, or that we would go on to be a thorn in the side of all those who tried to impose stupid rules and restrictions on us throughout our careers.

prettybird saw that creepy funder, and ron if only more girls were encouraged to be naughty!

Oh that must have been fascinating, woman lunching with Barbara Castle [ that's envy ]
I remember her as Transport Minister bringing in the first laws against drink driving.
She was BRAVE to do that and Harold Wilson backed her up.

Those were the days when politicians womanned & manned up, to do what was right & necessary, not just what was popular

People payed sufficient tax to properly fund the NHS and public services.
That was before MrsT changed the mindset of the nation to "I'm all right Jack / Jill, bugger the rest"

I remember hearing Barabara C laughing on the radio, saying a man had written to her:
"You know bugger all about anything and now you've buggered up our darts match"
Those were the days before feisty women politicians were threatened with rape & murder

Woman Absolutely, and the striking contrast with Theresa May the vicars daughter who would without doubt be on the side of our sarcastic spiteful bullying Headmistress......

Corbyn got in because about 20 moderate centre / left MPs (including Khan) nominated him in a horrendous political miscalculation:

• They wanted a wider selection to appease the angry left

• appeasement to extremists rarely ends well

+ They played to the gallery to show how fair they were

• can often go badly

+ They thought the members would remember Foot and never elect someone far harder left and more repellant to the public

• a common mistake among sensible well informed people is to assume that other people have some subset of basic knowledge and will act logically.

(Foot had great talent as a Parliamentarian and a writer.
He never sided with Britain's enemies.
He was just too far left and memory of his leadership made the party unelectable for several years, even after sensible replacement leaders)

BCF She was a lovely.
I remember her as Transport Minister bringing in the first laws against drink driving.
She joked about that, said she did it deliberately to wind up her old man. She was a non driver.
Interesting that she would not take a gendered cabinet job, which was why she did transport.

And before our trot friends get excited, she was anti common market, before it evolved into the civilising human rights spreading, trade enabling education sharing immigrant friendly organisation we are now leaving, and unable to protest against.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/21/anti-brexit-campaigners-face-conundrum-as-date-is-set-for-article-50

Organisers concerned about low numbers.
Heard that one before.

I'd thought the anti racism one was tiny when I first arrived, but it was because the security forces protecting the BBC out numbered protestors at the start.

Sign up if you're going, and spread the word. Please.

www.facebook.com/marchforeuropeuk/

Barbara Castle - the woman who should have been the first female PM.

Theresa May would be better employed as a headmistress of a minor independent girls' school IMO - the ones for naice but not terribly bright girls.

Organisers concerned about low numbers.

Heard that one before.

Significant numbers of people won't bother to register. Someone must be rattled though. As far as I am concerned, the message is still Stop Brexit.

"I think Valentine is misjudging the mood of the 20 somethings"

I agree with this, at least the mood among my students (18-21 year olds) was initially excitement that Corbyn had won, then disillusionment and anger, particularly over Brexit. I teach several politics / policy related courses, so this comes up a lot.

Peregrina It's going to be huge. I feel like starting a walk to Scotland afterwards, to remain land where NS offered us political asylum.

Mother The "disarray" is because it will mean less negotiating time - which is worse for the UK than the EU.
This is the Times article:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/may-leaves-eu-in-disarray-with-her-article-50-timing-c5jffttt3

"The European Union’s plans to hold a Brexit summit were in turmoil yesterday after Theresa May delayed triggering Article 50 until next week.

Diplomats and officials in Brussels had hoped to hold a council of the EU’s 27 governments as early as April 6.
However, No 10’s confirmation of March 29 as the trigger date has pushed back the timetable.
Brussels faces holding the meeting in the middle of French elections at the end of April
or a delay into mid-May.

The former could play into the hands of Marine Le Pen, the French National Front leader,
and the latter would mean the loss of a month of negotiating time in talks that already have a difficult two-year deadline"

< note: losing a month negotiating time is also VERY bad for the Uk >

"Once Mrs May triggers Article 50, European governments need time to agree “guidelines” that will set the basis of negotiations and the terms of separation that will be put to Britain.

“UK notification on March 29 does not leave sufficient time to prepare a European Council on April 6-7 to adopt the Brexit guidelines,”
an EU source said.
“No specific date, but we expect to need approximately four to six weeks to prepare or consult with EU27 member states.”

France and other European governments are concerned that holding the summit on the April 27, the first suitable date after Easter, would make Brexit a political controversy midway through French presidential elections.
“Do we really want Brexit at centre and front of this election?” one EU diplomat asked. “The French do not.”

Diplomats fear that Ms Le Pen will be able to make political capital out of a summit involving François Hollande, the country’s most unpopular president, just after she is expected to have won a first-round vote on April 23.

If a decision is taken to postpone until after the election is finished on May 7, the summit date slips into mid-May or later, losing valuable negotiation time."

"Lubomir Zaoralek, the Czech Republic’s foreign minister, expressed his concerns, widely shared, that the untested EU exit process might not work or will take far longer than the two-year restriction on negotiations set in Article 50.

“We’re entering something we have no experience with,” he said. “It’s something we will have to try as an experiment for the first time and it’s hard to imagine how long it could take, what it would mean and what the result of it would be.”

At the weekend, Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission, to whom Mr Barnier will report, warned that the divorce deal offered would be take-it-or-leave-it.

“The choice is to eat what’s on the table or not come to the table at all,”

Useful timetable from that Times article:

"How the Talks Could Unfold"
• March 29 Theresa May triggers Article 50.
• March 31 The European Commission draws up guidelines for the divorce, focusing on terms of separation and the EU’s red lines.
• April 27, at the earliest EU27 summit to agree on the guidelines. Easter holidays and French presidential election mean no date has been set for the summit.
• 24 hours after summit Michel Barnier, EU’s lead negotiator, will send a draft negotiating mandate to governments.
• Late May or early June Divorce terms will be presented at first meeting between British and EU negotiators.
• Autumn Potential clash over Brexit divorce bill.