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Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.

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RedToothBrush · 15/03/2017 12:03

Its time for the suicide. The note will say simply, "The EU made us do it".

David Davies, says that despite May’s assertion that no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK, that actually we don’t know this as he hasn’t got round to quantifying the impact of no deal.

He still has no answers for anything apart from “I dunno” and “I’ll do it later”. I can’t wait for when the dog ate my homework excuse.

After 9 months. That’s how far we’ve got. Brexit negotiation skills will have 18 months (not 2 years as it’ll need to be ratified). We are still hiring people for the Brexit department. What about all these EU agencies that the UK will have to replicate and hire and train up in 2 years time?

I’m still waiting for Davies to tell me what all these potential benefits he keeps going on about are too. Benefits for who exactly? Ah yes we know the answer to this one too, even if its not being said. Its political elites and elites with lots of money who can consolidate power and enslave the population through debt and desperation. Goodie. Just what I’ve always wanted. As long as I can wave my Union Jack. Oh. Shit. Bugger.

Nicola Sturgeon, has been doing a good job of showing Brexiteers exactly what they look like to Remainers by holding up the mirror of irony to the Vampires of the 19th Century State. The sight of them tripping over themselves saying its irrational to hold a ‘blind vote’ and that the economic argument is flawed is hilarious. If you are not British.

Hammond has been forced to u-turn on NIC budget announcement as it was not in the spirit of the manifesto. What happened to the manifesto pledge to the protect interests in the Single Market. Lets be honest, the New Tory Manifesto read simply: “We’ll wing it and see what we can get away with”. I wonder how many people would vote for that.

Its Brexit at all costs. No matter what. We must keep the foreigners out. Even though Davis hasn’t done an assessment on the financial impact of migration. Just think about that for a second. Actually don’t because you might actually want to shoot yourself in the head.

At best the government are still relying on Game Theory as a basis for their negotiations and the EU are already going, “Er we don’t think so”.

Perhaps this is the intention of May’s tour to build consensus. She’s handing out guns and bullets to anyone who displays rational thought, to blow their own brains out.

May’s weakness is her manner and her chip on her shoulder for the law. Her own party are not immune to it. She seems to think trade deals are not done based on goodwill. May’s weakness is Britain’s folly.

Pass the blindfolds round, and get on your knees and await our own execution by our own hands.

Bang.

RIP The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland. I will remember you with nostalgic fondness but equally with bitterness and shame. Our finest hours are long since passed (and were tainted with the excesses of exploitation anyway) and we must accept this as part of the process of ‘accepting Brexit’.

Now its time for the empty hand to start being shown and the blame game to begin in earnest. The politics of hate have only just begun and the divorce has not started yet. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar are the kids we might not get custody of.

We’ll be blacking up again, running around groping women like Benny Hill and pushing people back into the closet as we hit the off switch before you know it. As well as having nice shiny new ID cards we’ll have to pay for the privilege of owning and carrying at all times, to prove we aren’t nasty illegal immigrants or those equally nasty legal ones clogging up our NHS (by working for it).

Don’t worry though. Uncle Donny will save us. If he doesn’t die suddenly after eating a bowl of Russia soup or have a fatal heart attack after accidentally falling out of a tenth story window.

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twofingerstoEverything · 20/03/2017 16:14

OK Hashi, the Farage example is a good one. But then what would have happened if UKIP had had a massive election victory? A non-MP couldn't then become PM, could they?

GlassOfPort · 20/03/2017 16:17

If the leader doesn't have to be an MP, and some understanding of economics is still considered desirable, I would go for Ed Balls

HashiAsLarry · 20/03/2017 16:22

Technically yes, a non MP could become PM. Hasn't happened though for many many years. Not sure I can think of an example since the early 1900s though.

I think being a fairly safe MP is probably something they look at when picking a party leader now though. Or try to do a Farage and hand pick a seat that even he can't win Grin

HashiAsLarry · 20/03/2017 16:24

Or the other easy fudge is to make them a Life Peer, as PM can be from the House of Lords. Although I can't think of when that last happened since the early 1900s either.

lalalonglegs · 20/03/2017 16:52

Sadiq would just be given a safe seat. Someone in a good Labour seat who cared about the future of the party (so not Corbyn, Thornberry or Abbott) would be given a seat in the Lords and his/her very winnable seat would be made available. However, since Sadiq is a Blairite running dog, I think he would be unlikely to win with the present voting system - if he chose to run, which he probably wouldn't as who wants to inherit this shit shower?

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2017 16:54

Oy, it wasn't THAT long ago < indignant Grin >

I vaguely remember Alec Douglas Hume, the last PM in the HoL, early 1960s
(I was of course but a wee nipper, but my late Mum loved him, because he was "Old Svool gentleman")

However, politically it was uncomfortable, so he renounced his peerage and took a safe seat to get i to the HoC.
He wasn't PM long anyway, just 1963-64before Harold Wilson won the next GE

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2017 16:55

Old School - he wasn't a Russian bot !

HashiAsLarry · 20/03/2017 16:56

Sorry bigchoc Sad

lalalonglegs · 20/03/2017 17:02

Just got off a plane and my quick scan of the past few pages hasn't picked out a link in today's Times. I can exclusively reveal that the UK hasn't bothered recr uiting an army of trade negotiators is because... we won't need them. Juncker has confirmed that if there is no agreement to pay the settlement bill, there will be no talks.

Using unusually uncompromising language, the president of the European Commission said that Britain faced "the choice to eat what's on the table or not come to the table at all".

...Mr Juncker said that Mr Barnier had "everything prepared down to the last detail" including a divorce bill of between £20 billion and £60 billion and a politically toxic demand for EU judges to supervise the key aspects of Brexit.

So there we have it, the right wing MPs/media will never allow TM to agree to these conditions even if she wanted to so there will be no negotiations. Oblivion, here we come!

prettybird · 20/03/2017 17:08

Re the FTPA - I realised it could be overturned by a simple majority which is why I mentioned earlier that doing so would open up a whole new can of worms but there again, there are so many worms wiggling around what are a few more? Wink

It means that the devolved administrations could be overtruned at the whim of the government. Hmm

But even to do so would mean putting it before the House of Commons and then the House of Lords (who could and probably would on this ping-pong it), and then get Royal Assent - all before Thursday Hmm

And that's not even taking into account the unresolved question of parliamentary sovereignty in Scotland, where supposedly the people are still sovereign Wink

LurkingHusband · 20/03/2017 17:12

he renounced his peerage

ironically only possible because Tony Benn Viscount Stansford had previously, so had a law passed allowing it.

Previously, a peerage - like British Citizenship - could not be renounced.

LurkingHusband · 20/03/2017 17:13

Using unusually uncompromising language, the president of the European Commission said that Britain faced "the choice to eat what's on the table"

Isn't that cake ?

Peregrina · 20/03/2017 17:22

I was around when Douglas-Home became PM. Renouncing his peerage seemed quite a cynical move, but the Tories were determined to keep RAButler out.

boodlyboo · 20/03/2017 17:29

Prettybird - Yes. legally any Government can overturn any act of parliament by preceding parliaments (including devolved governments). But is it politically possible? In these strange days who the f*ck knows? Fairy tales (nightmares) have become reality and the old orthodoxy become apparently treasonous Confused

twofingerstoEverything · 20/03/2017 17:37

Using unusually uncompromising language, the president of the European Commission said that Britain faced "the choice to eat what's on the table or not come to the table at all".

We know what comes next, don't we? Accusations of poor ickle UK being punished.

GreenPeppers · 20/03/2017 17:42

lala tbf there's nothing new there. Reading this hen iress in Europe (not here if course) these have always being the co dotions to start négociations.
As far as i know, the second step after the bill is what will happen to eu citizens in the uk and Brits in the eu. Worth noting too that the eu has met with a representation of eu citizens in the uk and Brits in the eu when he hasn't met TM yet.....

I'm
It sure why it comes as surprise. Nor why it seems to be surprise too that the EU has done its homework. Or that they can be very hard negotiators, ones that have been pissed off at that.

GreenPeppers · 20/03/2017 17:45

But yes two it will be the awful EU who is punishing the uk so the uk had no choice at all.

Now when will it become obvious to TM that the people in front of her are adversaries to be respected?
And when will she realise she is falling and has no back up plan??

Badders123 · 20/03/2017 17:51

The uk is like the child from the "cutter up pear" thread on men a few years ago...
"I want to leave the EU"
"But i still want ALL the benefits, just not pay for them!"
Waaahhhhh

lalalonglegs · 20/03/2017 18:02

I think it's the first time it's been spelled out quite so baldly, before any question over the settlement bill has been met (in the UK) with a load of "typical EU grandstanding" type eye-rolling. The whole narrative has been about getting the negotiations started and walking away with a fabulous deal (or walking away). The fact that the EU are stating clearly that negotiations may not even start - while obvious to many of us - hasn't been widely considered, least of all by the government it seems Smile.

HashiAsLarry · 20/03/2017 18:10

The thing is this can't be a surprise. Its much the same as leaving a phone contract. They may try to make you stay and if you still decide to leave the first thing they try to settle is what you owe. After that they may negotiate on the date you can take your number, or whether they'll unlock your phone, etc.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2017 18:22

The 2 years of the A50 are primarily intended to sort out all the NON-trade issues (expats, Farage's pension & other outstandng commitments the UK made)

The Uk has assumed that the EU would discuss trade in parallel during those 2 years, but it was always likely that the EU would insist that the specified A50 issues at least be agreed in principle first.

They know the UK has few negotiators, so they may reasonably think that the UK can't manage parallel negotiations properly - especially when the UK cabinet seems so ignorant and confused about what it wants.
So, the EU may decide to do the essential stuff first.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2017 18:25

The UK govt - and certainly the UK public - may have overestimated the strength of the British hand and the reluctance of the EU side to throw in their hand

Peregrina · 20/03/2017 18:26

So what happens when the two years are up and they haven't got around to sorting out Farage's pension? Will he have to go out to work to make ends meet?

Motheroffourdragons · 20/03/2017 18:37

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prettybird · 20/03/2017 18:39

BigChoc - to quote Gibbs (we're big NCIS fans here)..... "Ya think?"

Grin
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