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Brexit

Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.

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RedToothBrush · 15/03/2017 12:03

Its time for the suicide. The note will say simply, "The EU made us do it".

David Davies, says that despite May’s assertion that no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK, that actually we don’t know this as he hasn’t got round to quantifying the impact of no deal.

He still has no answers for anything apart from “I dunno” and “I’ll do it later”. I can’t wait for when the dog ate my homework excuse.

After 9 months. That’s how far we’ve got. Brexit negotiation skills will have 18 months (not 2 years as it’ll need to be ratified). We are still hiring people for the Brexit department. What about all these EU agencies that the UK will have to replicate and hire and train up in 2 years time?

I’m still waiting for Davies to tell me what all these potential benefits he keeps going on about are too. Benefits for who exactly? Ah yes we know the answer to this one too, even if its not being said. Its political elites and elites with lots of money who can consolidate power and enslave the population through debt and desperation. Goodie. Just what I’ve always wanted. As long as I can wave my Union Jack. Oh. Shit. Bugger.

Nicola Sturgeon, has been doing a good job of showing Brexiteers exactly what they look like to Remainers by holding up the mirror of irony to the Vampires of the 19th Century State. The sight of them tripping over themselves saying its irrational to hold a ‘blind vote’ and that the economic argument is flawed is hilarious. If you are not British.

Hammond has been forced to u-turn on NIC budget announcement as it was not in the spirit of the manifesto. What happened to the manifesto pledge to the protect interests in the Single Market. Lets be honest, the New Tory Manifesto read simply: “We’ll wing it and see what we can get away with”. I wonder how many people would vote for that.

Its Brexit at all costs. No matter what. We must keep the foreigners out. Even though Davis hasn’t done an assessment on the financial impact of migration. Just think about that for a second. Actually don’t because you might actually want to shoot yourself in the head.

At best the government are still relying on Game Theory as a basis for their negotiations and the EU are already going, “Er we don’t think so”.

Perhaps this is the intention of May’s tour to build consensus. She’s handing out guns and bullets to anyone who displays rational thought, to blow their own brains out.

May’s weakness is her manner and her chip on her shoulder for the law. Her own party are not immune to it. She seems to think trade deals are not done based on goodwill. May’s weakness is Britain’s folly.

Pass the blindfolds round, and get on your knees and await our own execution by our own hands.

Bang.

RIP The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland. I will remember you with nostalgic fondness but equally with bitterness and shame. Our finest hours are long since passed (and were tainted with the excesses of exploitation anyway) and we must accept this as part of the process of ‘accepting Brexit’.

Now its time for the empty hand to start being shown and the blame game to begin in earnest. The politics of hate have only just begun and the divorce has not started yet. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar are the kids we might not get custody of.

We’ll be blacking up again, running around groping women like Benny Hill and pushing people back into the closet as we hit the off switch before you know it. As well as having nice shiny new ID cards we’ll have to pay for the privilege of owning and carrying at all times, to prove we aren’t nasty illegal immigrants or those equally nasty legal ones clogging up our NHS (by working for it).

Don’t worry though. Uncle Donny will save us. If he doesn’t die suddenly after eating a bowl of Russia soup or have a fatal heart attack after accidentally falling out of a tenth story window.

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Peregrina · 20/03/2017 12:51

How does May intend to bring Wales, Scotland and N Ireland on board? She now has 8 days to do so and so far in the better part of nine months we have seen nothing of substance from her or her stooges.

prettybird · 20/03/2017 12:56

She has no intention of doing so. Angry

She thinks that pontificating at the Scots, Northern Irish and Welsh, that means she has brought us on board Hmm. She has after all claimed that she has 65 million people behind her. Confused

In her tiny mind, just saying it makes it so Confused. It's a meaningless as "Brexit means brexit" AngryHmm

Peregrina · 20/03/2017 12:58

Did May notify the Scottish, N Irish, Welsh and Gibraltar Governments first? I doubt it.

PoundlandUK · 20/03/2017 13:00

TMs actions since becoming PM suggest:

  1. Scotland & NI do not matter
  2. Securing certainty for EU citizens does not matter
  3. Prioritizing effective trading relationship with EU post Brexit does not matter.

I have heard many words from her that run contrary to this. But her actions (and lack thereof) and those of her brexit team repeatedly belie the above. And I believe that is what will come to pass.

It gives me no pleasure to think like this.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/03/2017 13:04

Did May notify the Scottish, N Irish, Welsh and Gibraltar Governments

Nope the JMC found out the trigger date via the BBC

Bananagio · 20/03/2017 13:09

Of course, a lot of the froth about EU elections is just the rightwing media trying to reassure worried voters that the EU is in worse trouble than the UK. It isn't.

I think it is more about your statement above in the case of the press rather than ignorance regarding the electoral systems BigChoc. I think it is a deliberate attempt to use misinformation to pursue an agenda. I saw it with the Italian referendum. I dont proclaim to be any expert on Italian politics but just from the knowledge I have from living here and reading the Italian press, and speaking to my Italian friends and family it drove me crazy reading the way the Italian referendum was portrayed in the UK. It suited the agenda to portray the EU as being near collapse and to talk about the inevitability of Italy, Netherlands, France etc all dropping out one by one after having seen the light shown to them by the plucky Brits striving out into the unknown. I am not saying that the EU is home free or not in need of reform but I am so sick of blatant lies and deliberate gaps in information being regurgitated to support an ideology. The gleeful predictions of disaster for Italy, Austria and the NL are only matched now by the radio silence when the results didnt lead to the collapse of the house of cards so many seem desperate for!

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Bananagio · 20/03/2017 13:21

worrying not just the gutter press mother. The FT seems to be one of the only newspapers who are able to report on the status of other EU countries in a balanced and non-hysterical way at the moment.

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LurkingHusband · 20/03/2017 13:57

It will be very interesting to see just how long and detailed this is, when it leaks, as it is almost certain to do

Why would it need to be leaked ? Unlike the UK, the EU is a democratic organisation that has well established channels for transparency and citizen engagement. I appreciate the exact intricacies of any EU-Brexit negotiations my need to be classified, but can easily imagine a high-level briefing paper being made available.

The second A50 is triggered, the UK, and Theresa May will have to dance with the EU. And all the bullshit horsefeathers the UK media has built into their depiction of the EU can slowly be deconstructed.

The Mail and Express are now committed to project Doublethink, where they have to report on the flood of news coming quite openly from the EU whilst pretending the EU is being intransigent, against the paucity of news from the UK being bigged up (daily) as something "new" each time. However they have been practising for years now -
for example, Paul Dacre has convinced himself he's not a cunt.

Peregrina · 20/03/2017 14:10

LH - I was thinking in terms of May's Government trying to keep things as secret as possible, hence the leaks.

Paul Dacre is apparently very nice to his friends, or so I read in today's Guardian. But then, Hitler was supposed to have a soft spot for children.

LurkingHusband · 20/03/2017 14:39

I know it's bad MN form to have TAAT but I've only just stopped laughing enough to flag this up

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2881603-Betrayed-by-TM

A one-line summary is someone who claims to have voted for Brexit is now unhappy they aren't getting what they thought they were getting.

As I said, you didn't have to be thick to be a Brexiteer. But it seems to have been a pattern.

LurkingHusband · 20/03/2017 14:41

LH - I was thinking in terms of May's Government trying to keep things as secret as possible, hence the leaks

But now we engage withe EU, who gives a flying fuck what Mays government "want". They can have everything done by the (Euro)book. And, as the start the process, if they find that there is absolutely no appetite for any EU state to be flexible, or helpful above and beyond what is mandated ... well, we won't need Sherlock Holmes to find out why.

Peregrina · 20/03/2017 14:49

LH - it will be spun as all the EU's fault. It won't be May's intransigence or the idiocy of her three stooges.

Valentine2 · 20/03/2017 15:39

You've got to hope they'll not go there again. And on that note, who looks good for post JC leadership post? I have to admit I've no clue who I would want to see in place now, or after they've been gutted by another election.

Sadie Khan is the most obvious choice now. I don't think stand a chance even with him but at least there is some hope.

Valentine2 · 20/03/2017 15:41

Sadiq not Sadie. autocorrect gave away the name of a friend there.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/03/2017 15:44

Oh bloody hell, someone just brought up (in a government committee) the cancelling of the German war debt as a reason to get the amount we owe the EU down...

GlassOfPort · 20/03/2017 15:48

I am a fan of Sadiq Khan, but I think that if he ran for the leadership of the party so soon, he would give the impression of being an opportunist that only used his office as a political springboard.

Do we think there is any chance to convince Nicola Sturgeon to defect to Labour? Grin

Valentine2 · 20/03/2017 15:50

I am a fan of Sadiq Khan, but I think that if he ran for the leadership of the party so soon, he would give the impression of being an opportunist that only used his office as a political springboard.
That's my worry too. We did consider him an opportunist in the beginning to be fair. But he is slowly working on that.
I would much rather we get Ruth Davidson. I would love to see her in a one on one with May because it's all fucked up now anyway so we might as well laugh at it

twofingerstoEverything · 20/03/2017 15:56

Sadiq Khan is not an MP, though. Surely that would be a prerequisite?

RhuBarbarella · 20/03/2017 15:57

Ruth Davidson is a Scottish Tory. A rare breed indeed. And even though they seem quite chummy, the Tories and Labour that is, I can't see her leading the Labour party any time soon

LurkingHusband · 20/03/2017 15:59

Sadiq Khan is not an MP, though. Surely that would be a prerequisite?

I thought we were in the age of make-it-up-as-you-go-along politics ?

boodlyboo · 20/03/2017 16:00

Re Parliament and Fixed Term Parliament Act. Because parliament is sovereign it can repeal any acts from previous parliaments (including the FTPA) if it can get a majority vote to do so in HoC, HoL and royal assent.

I did a Coursera introductory English law course and the lecturer emphasised this point repeatedly. Also,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_sovereignty

Parliamentary sovereignty (also called parliamentary supremacy or legislative supremacy) is a concept in the constitutional law of some parliamentary democracies. It holds that the legislative body has absolute sovereignty, and is supreme over all other government institutions, including executive or judicial bodies. It also holds that the legislative body may change or repeal any previous legislation, and so it is not bound by written law (in some cases, even a constitution) or by precedent.

HashiAsLarry · 20/03/2017 16:09

Sadiq Khan is not an MP, though. Surely that would be a prerequisite?

Technically the Party Leader of the overall majority is given the role of PM, and there's no pre-requisite for the Party Leader to be an MP, a la Farage.