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Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.

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RedToothBrush · 15/03/2017 12:03

Its time for the suicide. The note will say simply, "The EU made us do it".

David Davies, says that despite May’s assertion that no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK, that actually we don’t know this as he hasn’t got round to quantifying the impact of no deal.

He still has no answers for anything apart from “I dunno” and “I’ll do it later”. I can’t wait for when the dog ate my homework excuse.

After 9 months. That’s how far we’ve got. Brexit negotiation skills will have 18 months (not 2 years as it’ll need to be ratified). We are still hiring people for the Brexit department. What about all these EU agencies that the UK will have to replicate and hire and train up in 2 years time?

I’m still waiting for Davies to tell me what all these potential benefits he keeps going on about are too. Benefits for who exactly? Ah yes we know the answer to this one too, even if its not being said. Its political elites and elites with lots of money who can consolidate power and enslave the population through debt and desperation. Goodie. Just what I’ve always wanted. As long as I can wave my Union Jack. Oh. Shit. Bugger.

Nicola Sturgeon, has been doing a good job of showing Brexiteers exactly what they look like to Remainers by holding up the mirror of irony to the Vampires of the 19th Century State. The sight of them tripping over themselves saying its irrational to hold a ‘blind vote’ and that the economic argument is flawed is hilarious. If you are not British.

Hammond has been forced to u-turn on NIC budget announcement as it was not in the spirit of the manifesto. What happened to the manifesto pledge to the protect interests in the Single Market. Lets be honest, the New Tory Manifesto read simply: “We’ll wing it and see what we can get away with”. I wonder how many people would vote for that.

Its Brexit at all costs. No matter what. We must keep the foreigners out. Even though Davis hasn’t done an assessment on the financial impact of migration. Just think about that for a second. Actually don’t because you might actually want to shoot yourself in the head.

At best the government are still relying on Game Theory as a basis for their negotiations and the EU are already going, “Er we don’t think so”.

Perhaps this is the intention of May’s tour to build consensus. She’s handing out guns and bullets to anyone who displays rational thought, to blow their own brains out.

May’s weakness is her manner and her chip on her shoulder for the law. Her own party are not immune to it. She seems to think trade deals are not done based on goodwill. May’s weakness is Britain’s folly.

Pass the blindfolds round, and get on your knees and await our own execution by our own hands.

Bang.

RIP The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland. I will remember you with nostalgic fondness but equally with bitterness and shame. Our finest hours are long since passed (and were tainted with the excesses of exploitation anyway) and we must accept this as part of the process of ‘accepting Brexit’.

Now its time for the empty hand to start being shown and the blame game to begin in earnest. The politics of hate have only just begun and the divorce has not started yet. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar are the kids we might not get custody of.

We’ll be blacking up again, running around groping women like Benny Hill and pushing people back into the closet as we hit the off switch before you know it. As well as having nice shiny new ID cards we’ll have to pay for the privilege of owning and carrying at all times, to prove we aren’t nasty illegal immigrants or those equally nasty legal ones clogging up our NHS (by working for it).

Don’t worry though. Uncle Donny will save us. If he doesn’t die suddenly after eating a bowl of Russia soup or have a fatal heart attack after accidentally falling out of a tenth story window.

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PoundlandUK · 20/03/2017 09:23

Oh, Ivan Rogers would have been a good one to listen to, but his expertise "didn't fit" Hmm

Peregrina · 20/03/2017 09:26

I find it extremely unlikely that they don't know how many negotiators they have. The Civil Service is hierarchical and grade conscious so knowing job titles is basic info. So many Admin Officers, so many Exectutive Officers, ... so many Principles. I imagine that a Trade Negotiator would be at Principle level.... so either they are telling porkies, or can't be arsed to find out.

Motheroffourdragons · 20/03/2017 10:03

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LurkingHusband · 20/03/2017 10:05

Meanwhile - possibly to the increasing dismay of people who are "bored of Brexit" already - we read that (as predicted) Brexit is going to Jam parliament for the next few years, with at least 15 extra bills needing scrutiny. And (presumably) every single bill allowing for a re-run of the recent Lords v. Commons friction.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39322297

Parliament might have to scrutinise up to 15 new bills to deliver Brexit, leaving little time for other legislation, the Institute for Government has warned.
The IFG says legislation will be needed to establish new policies on areas such as customs and immigration.
The extra measures will place "a huge burden" on Parliament and government departments, the think tank says.

(contd)

I will bet a pound to a penny that this is going to be used as an attempt to try and move the "Normal" role of parliament into shady backroom offices, where no one will know what deals have been done.

It's the opposite of "taking back control". It's giving control to people we will not know, not see, will not be able to hold to account, and will not be able to remove from power. We will in effect be creating a mini-EU as described by Brexiteers in Westminster.

You didn't have to be thick to be a Brexiteer. But it must have helped an awful lot.

Gumpendorf · 20/03/2017 10:05

as a former Senior Civil Servant I was being ironic... Wink

HashiAsLarry · 20/03/2017 10:08

I suspect the truth is in between poundland and peregrina. They know precisely how many negotiators they have. They just don't know how many fulfil their pro brexit ideal.

whatwouldrondo · 20/03/2017 11:16

In support of LH's point FOI requests have been met with increasing obfuscation and sophisticated legal avoidance. We used to be able to get most information from our Council but now even the simplest request (mostly to do with school place planning and offer data, information we get in the end anyway but with a lot of paperwork from individual schools) ends up first with pathetic arguments for not giving the information and ultimately in a play of brinksmanship, when referred to the Commission, it is put into the hands of their solicitors. The legal profession seem to have sharpened their strategies. However It has been leaked to us that this level of stubbornness and the immediate recourse to lawyers is national Conservative Party policy and not coming from our Leader though he is admittedly paranoid, entitled and subject to illusions of grandeur /totalitarian leadership.
It is a manifestation of a party that prefers the back room

He incidentally gave a very eloquent speech in the Lords on Brexit. His prolonged waxing lyrical on his house in the hills of Italy and the nationalist ambitions he shares with the village baker have not gone down well amongst his "metropolitan elite" voters, especially those who are citizens of EU countries, or who are friends and neighbours of citizens of EU countries, or are happy to be citizens of nowhere i.e the vast majority.....

Motheroffourdragons · 20/03/2017 11:22

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EmilyAlice · 20/03/2017 11:41

BBC breaking news on my Twitter feed - Article 50 to be triggered March 29th. 😰

Badders123 · 20/03/2017 11:46

Well
Here we go
Our conversion to a low tax (for the rich) low provision of public services, low aspiration country is underway.
And as a dodgy tax haven too
Good times 😞😞😞😞😡

Peregrina · 20/03/2017 11:52

I went out and hence a late correction - that should have been Principals. Perhaps it was wishful thinking that we could have a Government which could have Principles.

HashiAsLarry · 20/03/2017 11:56

Bit early for April Fool's isn't it?

Peregrina · 20/03/2017 12:02

I keep telling myself that since May has so closely allied herself with a hard Brexit, which I cannot see succeeding, if only because of the N Ireland, Scotland and Gibraltar questions, all of which will require a substantial amount of effort to resolve, she will be judged as big a failure as Cameron.

The problem then is how much damage will she do to the country before we get rid of her and the Tory right wing?

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2017 12:03

I think part of the misunderstanding of EU elections is ignorance of the workings & consequences of very different electoral systems and especially PR:

Under FPTP, it is winner takes all, no 2nd chance, no consideration of other parties
Even victory by a tiny % margin allows the victor to be as hardline as they wish and ignore everyone .

PR is all about negotiating and building consensus among a range of parties and views, to form a government.

In the Netherlands, about 87% of those who voted chose someone other than Wilders and his party.
He only looks "dangerous" because the opposition is split aming several parties.
However, under a PR system, governments are formed by coalitions and no other party will get into bed with a fascist.
So, he has no chance of getting into government unless there is a massive catastrophe, leading to a massive swing to his parties.
Similar to UKIP / BNP in the UK - no chance to become the govt, barring catastrophe.

Similarly for LePen - the opposition is divided among quite a few parties, so the FN may even again win the first round, but in the crucial 2nd round, the other parties are expected to unite around the non-fascist candidate and win by a good margin.

The AfD in Germany has only about 8% support and won't receive any phone calls during the coalition negotiations after the GE.

Of course, a lot of the froth about EU elections is just the rightwing media trying to reassure worried voters that the EU is in worse trouble than the UK.
It isn't.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/03/2017 12:09

The first big step to rescue the UK - a process likely to last 10-15 years - is to zap the current Labour vacuum and obtain an effective Official Opposition.

That means getting rid of Corbyn AND not letting him be replaced by another hard left aparatchik from the Momentum stable.

So, an early GE, which May would almst certainly win heavily, is needed to shock Labour into doing this.
It was a long hard road back after Michael Foot and he was at least a competent leader and a skilled Parliamentarian.

I hope Labour don't again rifle through the pack and keep pushing Corbyn II and III ....

HashiAsLarry · 20/03/2017 12:19

Donald Tusk‏ @eucopresident
Within 48 hours of the UK triggering Article 50, I will present the draft #Brexit guidelines to the EU27 Member States.

Well it looks like the EU didn't spend 9 months sitting twiddling their thumbs.

PlectrumElectrum · 20/03/2017 12:27

I hope Labour don't again rifle through the pack and keep pushing Corbyn II and III ....

You've got to hope they'll not go there again. And on that note, who looks good for post JC leadership post? I have to admit I've no clue who I would want to see in place now, or after they've been gutted by another election.

HashiAsLarry · 20/03/2017 12:29

Could they bring back Dave? Would he? I wasn't sure of him first time, but he can't be much worse than Ed or JC.

Motheroffourdragons · 20/03/2017 12:33

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DepecheToad · 20/03/2017 12:35

Sadique?

CardinalSin · 20/03/2017 12:35

Is Keir Starmer to inexperienced? I like the cut of his jib.

HashiAsLarry · 20/03/2017 12:38

Its not just the nations of the UK grumbling.

David Lammy on a London citystate

Maybe Sadiq will be PM of London.

PlectrumElectrum · 20/03/2017 12:42

Is Keir Starmer to inexperienced? I like the cut of his jib.

I did think of him too cardinal but as he's only just become an MP, not sure he's got the necessary experience & sway behind him. But he'd be my pick if we were looking at 2020 I think.

Peregrina · 20/03/2017 12:44

Within 48 hours of the UK triggering Article 50, I will present the draft #Brexit guidelines to the EU27 Member States.

It will be very interesting to see just how long and detailed this is, when it leaks, as it is almost certain to do. It will almost certainly put May's apology for a white paper to shame.

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