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Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.

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RedToothBrush · 15/03/2017 12:03

Its time for the suicide. The note will say simply, "The EU made us do it".

David Davies, says that despite May’s assertion that no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK, that actually we don’t know this as he hasn’t got round to quantifying the impact of no deal.

He still has no answers for anything apart from “I dunno” and “I’ll do it later”. I can’t wait for when the dog ate my homework excuse.

After 9 months. That’s how far we’ve got. Brexit negotiation skills will have 18 months (not 2 years as it’ll need to be ratified). We are still hiring people for the Brexit department. What about all these EU agencies that the UK will have to replicate and hire and train up in 2 years time?

I’m still waiting for Davies to tell me what all these potential benefits he keeps going on about are too. Benefits for who exactly? Ah yes we know the answer to this one too, even if its not being said. Its political elites and elites with lots of money who can consolidate power and enslave the population through debt and desperation. Goodie. Just what I’ve always wanted. As long as I can wave my Union Jack. Oh. Shit. Bugger.

Nicola Sturgeon, has been doing a good job of showing Brexiteers exactly what they look like to Remainers by holding up the mirror of irony to the Vampires of the 19th Century State. The sight of them tripping over themselves saying its irrational to hold a ‘blind vote’ and that the economic argument is flawed is hilarious. If you are not British.

Hammond has been forced to u-turn on NIC budget announcement as it was not in the spirit of the manifesto. What happened to the manifesto pledge to the protect interests in the Single Market. Lets be honest, the New Tory Manifesto read simply: “We’ll wing it and see what we can get away with”. I wonder how many people would vote for that.

Its Brexit at all costs. No matter what. We must keep the foreigners out. Even though Davis hasn’t done an assessment on the financial impact of migration. Just think about that for a second. Actually don’t because you might actually want to shoot yourself in the head.

At best the government are still relying on Game Theory as a basis for their negotiations and the EU are already going, “Er we don’t think so”.

Perhaps this is the intention of May’s tour to build consensus. She’s handing out guns and bullets to anyone who displays rational thought, to blow their own brains out.

May’s weakness is her manner and her chip on her shoulder for the law. Her own party are not immune to it. She seems to think trade deals are not done based on goodwill. May’s weakness is Britain’s folly.

Pass the blindfolds round, and get on your knees and await our own execution by our own hands.

Bang.

RIP The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland. I will remember you with nostalgic fondness but equally with bitterness and shame. Our finest hours are long since passed (and were tainted with the excesses of exploitation anyway) and we must accept this as part of the process of ‘accepting Brexit’.

Now its time for the empty hand to start being shown and the blame game to begin in earnest. The politics of hate have only just begun and the divorce has not started yet. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar are the kids we might not get custody of.

We’ll be blacking up again, running around groping women like Benny Hill and pushing people back into the closet as we hit the off switch before you know it. As well as having nice shiny new ID cards we’ll have to pay for the privilege of owning and carrying at all times, to prove we aren’t nasty illegal immigrants or those equally nasty legal ones clogging up our NHS (by working for it).

Don’t worry though. Uncle Donny will save us. If he doesn’t die suddenly after eating a bowl of Russia soup or have a fatal heart attack after accidentally falling out of a tenth story window.

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Motheroffourdragons · 19/03/2017 19:28

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mathanxiety · 19/03/2017 19:37

Wasn't there something about the DUP and brexit spending and some donor who is now targeting Indiref.

Yes, his name is Richard Cook. He is the front man doe the Constitutional Research Council.

Mistigri · 19/03/2017 19:42

Misti - do we really think Hammond knows what he is doing ? My jury is out - he wouldn't have U turned so quickly on NI if he was on the ball, he'd either have not put it in the budget or he would have resigned over being made a fool of.

I think he is probably capable of being a competent chancellor yes, if he isn't thrown under the bus by his cabinet colleagues. The NI thing was a political error, but raising NI on the self-employed is a rational way of raising money especially if you have had your room for manoeuvre severely curtailed by your predecessor. And it was a progressive policy that should (perhaps with some tweaking) have been supported by other parties.

Motheroffourdragons · 19/03/2017 19:51

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mathanxiety · 19/03/2017 20:20

Cailleach - that article on growing up in NI (thank you) actually explains Kate Hoey and Tim Martin (Wetherspoons).

mathanxiety · 19/03/2017 20:22

Apart from crushing every Lords amendment, receiving full authority to trigger A50 and negotiate as she pleases, with the Opposition cowering before her, I'm sure the week was just terrible.

ComfortandJoyce, it's probably best to wait more than a week before pronouncing judgement on matters political. Just how terrible all that really is will become apparent in due course.

woman12345 · 19/03/2017 20:54

math explains Kate Hoey and Tim Martin (Wetherspoons)
It's a fascinating sub plot, especially Hoey, who that article mentioned is Protestant.(wish that didn't matter) I smell all sorts afoot with Mr Cook and the CRC. I'm disappointed that Paisley may be reverting to type, and the old slanging matches are starting again, I'd wanted kids to just know NI for 'Game of Thrones'. But then I'd wanted an internationalist Britain with an operational welfare state and functioning democracy for them too. Sad
Rudd's comments on judges RTB sound like we really are heading towards some crumby dictatorship.
Will Judge Judy run the brexit men's rights court?

BigChocFrenzy · 19/03/2017 22:09

Hmm Another couple of online whispers have suggested TM will call a GE on 4 May (date of local elections)
I suspect she is considering it very seriously and her advisers / Tory Central Office are floating the idea to raise enthusiasm in the political / media world

woman12345 · 19/03/2017 22:19

Ooh! Because?:
Michael Crick Retweeted
@MSmithsonPB Mar 18
Police probe claims Tories paid unemployed people to pose as party volunteers
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/police-probe-claims-tories-paid-10048973#ICID=sharebar_twitter

prettybird · 19/03/2017 22:21

If she were to overturn the FTPA "just like that" Hmm, it would continue to expose our constitutional issues and the fact that our devolved administrations could be repealed "just like that" Hmm - at the whim of any government with a majority. Hmm

Dangerous Hmm but then we're living in a looking glass world, so anything is possible Sad

ElenaGreco123 · 19/03/2017 22:35

woman Is the Mirror article saying that the undeclared local cost of the battle bus must have been even higher if 'volunteers' were paid?

lalalonglegs · 19/03/2017 22:36

Don't you need to give six weeks' notice before an election? That would mean calling it in the next week or so - which would mean either getting Labour to agree or losing vote of confidence. Is that likely? Is there a third option to get round the fixed term (apart from repealing it, again not doable in the time frame)?

woman12345 · 19/03/2017 22:39

I'm not sure Elena:
The Electoral Commission this week upheld our findings and revealed that some of the nearly £4,000-a-day cost of the buses should have been registered by local candidates.

NancyWake · 19/03/2017 23:05

How are Tories going to frame a manifesto for hard Brexit and Northern Ireland in particular?

If they set out their aims for an EU deal it will become the yardstick by which they are judged when they fail horribly to secure them.

Not saying it won't happen, but they're in a bind. Fair play to Sturgeon as she has manoevred them into this position.

NancyWake · 19/03/2017 23:07

*manoeuvred

mathanxiety · 20/03/2017 00:05

Wondering what might be so offensive or threatening to Trump about the word 'short'. Methinks it's not merely his stubby little fingers he's all hot and bothered about.
Wink

mathanxiety · 20/03/2017 00:07

"...The prime minister is attempting to fabricate her own mandate from “a fundamental truth:
that the referendum last summer was not just a vote to leave the EU but an instruction to change the way our whole country works”.

I agree 100% with this analysis from the Times article you linked, BigChoc. She is a revolutionary.

prettybird · 20/03/2017 08:24

Uh oh..... (as the friend who posted this on FB said) Shock

Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.
prettybird · 20/03/2017 08:35

He'd also asked the Department for Exiting the EU in February, who didn't know either Shock

@MattLlt: Neither does @DexEUgov. This is terrifying. We are starting negotiations any day now, and such basic questions are… https://t.co/EJ47daBjPR

Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.
Peregrina · 20/03/2017 08:39

that the referendum last summer was not just a vote to leave the EU but an instruction to change the way our whole country works”.

I think that's true. What IMO is not true, is that May's vision based on what a narrow minded Home Counties blue rinsed Tory would think is not the vision shared in the North. It's much more one base on a feeling of being neglected, but also valuing institutions like the NHS as represented by local hospitals.

Peregrina · 20/03/2017 08:42

I garbled that: May's vision as purveyed by a narrow minded Home Counties blue rinsed Tory is not a shared vision.

Peregrina · 20/03/2017 08:48

^www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86413#disqus_thread^

The same link as before, I believe, but a further posting today from Richard North. Essentially arguing for EEA/EFTA. This would suit a majority of people but of course, for May the sticking point is Freedom of Movement.

Peregrina · 20/03/2017 08:54

It should have been www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86413#disqus_thread

Gumpendorf · 20/03/2017 08:54

I suppose in a world when the department responsible for EU exit doesn't know how many negotiators they employ, it's perfectly sensible to start the Art 50 clock ticking and waste spend 6 weeks on a constitutionally unnecessary general election.

PoundlandUK · 20/03/2017 09:19

I suppose in a world when the department responsible for EU exit doesn't know how many negotiators they employ,

I don't believe this is the case. I believe there is not an "official record" of the number of international trade negotiators because the number is rather close to zero.

The skill set is very narrow. The level of competence is very high. Pretty much all management consultancies have warned of negative outcomes. The government has advertised for people who share a positive philosophy about Brexit.

These people, at the appropriate competence level, volume and price, do not exist now. They will also not exist in future in sufficient quantities to broker the most complex trade rehash in the shortest time in living history.

I actually don't believe there is even one senior international trade expert in DexEU. If there were, I would assume their #1 task would have been to brief DD prior to his interrogation last week. Unfortunately, his responses suggest that he's not accepted advice from an expert in this area at all.

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