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Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.

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RedToothBrush · 15/03/2017 12:03

Its time for the suicide. The note will say simply, "The EU made us do it".

David Davies, says that despite May’s assertion that no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK, that actually we don’t know this as he hasn’t got round to quantifying the impact of no deal.

He still has no answers for anything apart from “I dunno” and “I’ll do it later”. I can’t wait for when the dog ate my homework excuse.

After 9 months. That’s how far we’ve got. Brexit negotiation skills will have 18 months (not 2 years as it’ll need to be ratified). We are still hiring people for the Brexit department. What about all these EU agencies that the UK will have to replicate and hire and train up in 2 years time?

I’m still waiting for Davies to tell me what all these potential benefits he keeps going on about are too. Benefits for who exactly? Ah yes we know the answer to this one too, even if its not being said. Its political elites and elites with lots of money who can consolidate power and enslave the population through debt and desperation. Goodie. Just what I’ve always wanted. As long as I can wave my Union Jack. Oh. Shit. Bugger.

Nicola Sturgeon, has been doing a good job of showing Brexiteers exactly what they look like to Remainers by holding up the mirror of irony to the Vampires of the 19th Century State. The sight of them tripping over themselves saying its irrational to hold a ‘blind vote’ and that the economic argument is flawed is hilarious. If you are not British.

Hammond has been forced to u-turn on NIC budget announcement as it was not in the spirit of the manifesto. What happened to the manifesto pledge to the protect interests in the Single Market. Lets be honest, the New Tory Manifesto read simply: “We’ll wing it and see what we can get away with”. I wonder how many people would vote for that.

Its Brexit at all costs. No matter what. We must keep the foreigners out. Even though Davis hasn’t done an assessment on the financial impact of migration. Just think about that for a second. Actually don’t because you might actually want to shoot yourself in the head.

At best the government are still relying on Game Theory as a basis for their negotiations and the EU are already going, “Er we don’t think so”.

Perhaps this is the intention of May’s tour to build consensus. She’s handing out guns and bullets to anyone who displays rational thought, to blow their own brains out.

May’s weakness is her manner and her chip on her shoulder for the law. Her own party are not immune to it. She seems to think trade deals are not done based on goodwill. May’s weakness is Britain’s folly.

Pass the blindfolds round, and get on your knees and await our own execution by our own hands.

Bang.

RIP The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland. I will remember you with nostalgic fondness but equally with bitterness and shame. Our finest hours are long since passed (and were tainted with the excesses of exploitation anyway) and we must accept this as part of the process of ‘accepting Brexit’.

Now its time for the empty hand to start being shown and the blame game to begin in earnest. The politics of hate have only just begun and the divorce has not started yet. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar are the kids we might not get custody of.

We’ll be blacking up again, running around groping women like Benny Hill and pushing people back into the closet as we hit the off switch before you know it. As well as having nice shiny new ID cards we’ll have to pay for the privilege of owning and carrying at all times, to prove we aren’t nasty illegal immigrants or those equally nasty legal ones clogging up our NHS (by working for it).

Don’t worry though. Uncle Donny will save us. If he doesn’t die suddenly after eating a bowl of Russia soup or have a fatal heart attack after accidentally falling out of a tenth story window.

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prettybird · 17/03/2017 12:29

From yesterday's Guardian editorial, which Peregrina linked to,

"Mrs May is right that a campaign proposing to dissolve the union in parallel to Brexit talks would be worse than a distraction from European negotiations. It would raise unanswerable questions in continental capitals about the future of the British state. It would make the talks impossible."

NS has "won" that one: whether or not TM "grants" Hmm Scotland a referendum in the near future or throws into the long grass at some undefined point in the future when it is "appropriate" Hmm, the WM Government's negotiations "on behalf of the UK" are tainted.

Whether that is a good or bad thing is a whole separate debate Grin

Melassa · 17/03/2017 12:29

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Kaija · 17/03/2017 12:34

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Bearbehind · 17/03/2017 12:34

hashi the amount of time I spend waste on here I only wish I was paid! Grin

woman12345 · 17/03/2017 12:34

So looks like there is a 'remain' spokesperson( with brains and everything) and a newspaper? (which is distributed free to 1.5 million Londoners) And lovely international London readership at that.

lalalonglegs · 17/03/2017 12:35

Darth - I can't remember if the Standard was leave or remain Blush. To be honest, under Sarah Sands it had an absolute tin ear for what Londoners wanted (supported Zac Goldsmith mayoral candidacy vociferously, went blue at the last GE when most of London is red, even keeps promoting the wretched Garden Bridge). GO could make it a very effective weapon with which to beat Leavers in the future though.

Kaija · 17/03/2017 12:36

I think it came out rather late for remain.

woman12345 · 17/03/2017 12:40

In today's standard;

Just 44% think Theresa May will get a good deal on Brexit
www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html

Brexit could cause 7% of City jobs to be lost
www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-could-cause-7-of-city-jobs-to-be-lost-a3492201.html

Nicola Sturgeon: Move to block second Scottish independence referendum would be ‘democratic outrage
www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-move-to-block-second-scottish-independence-referendum-would-be-democratic-outrage-a3491956.html

Peregrina · 17/03/2017 12:42

And I wonder if the government will have collapsed by then?

I doubt it. Any one of the half dozen scandals and mistakes would have brought a normal government down now. But I bet it will be something minor and apparently trivial which does it. Then the right wing Tories will scarper to their bolt holes, while Theresa May gets thrown under the bus. Wonder if she will have tears in her eyes like Maggie Thatcher? I thought she looked a bit tearful the other day when taking on Sturgeon.

Mistigri · 17/03/2017 12:49

It's quite hard to make language errors that look convincing though. I see a lot of emails to DH's business from people for whom english is a foreign language and this doesn't look put on - or if it was put on, it's an extraordinary and skillful effort to go to for very small returns.

Svetlana33 · 17/03/2017 12:52

You on the other hand pop up

Yes Bear, that is because I WORK.

whatwouldrondo · 17/03/2017 12:53

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Melassa · 17/03/2017 12:54

Oops Kaija took me so long to finish writing my post that I missed her subsequent ones. You're right, he/she/it is more of a troll parody.

LurkingHusband · 17/03/2017 12:55

The lack of articles suggest that Svetlana (or Светлана) is Russian or another Slav nationality

Apropos of nothing, wasn't Svetlana Stalins daughter ?

woman12345 · 17/03/2017 12:55

I thought she looked a bit tearful the other day when taking on Sturgeon As her government is now and has been targeting people who are poorly, I will also say that she is not in the best of health, I read that her PA insists that she rests in the afternoon and is not disturbed.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/03/2017 12:56

I welcome Leaver views here, even when not backed up by any evidence.
However, I don't tolerate posters who just pop up to make personal attacks and add nothing to the debate.

I've reported the personal attacks too - with enough valid reports, these posters may be banned.
They also keep popping up on any thread where there is an opportunity to demonise anyone poor or disabled, who needs benefits

It's interesting that to a certain Brexiter clique "living off benefits" is how they counter those with opposing views

RedToothBrush · 17/03/2017 13:01

When did the UK government discover super human powers? That would be something to export.

What do you mean George isn't superhuman...

Being in the office for 5am (Up at 3.30 - 4am) being done by 11am for his second job. Doing that until 10pm and then heading home to Tatton by car (roughly 4hrs drive as he'd miss the last train) or plane if he's lucky (by the time you've got to the airport checked in, and then got out the outside and back to Tatton 1 1/2hrs if you are lucky, probably more like 2 and 1/2hrs. Is that going on expenses?). So he might be back home in Tatton for midnight if he's on a roll but its more likely to be closer to 2am. Then he's got to get up and do constituency business on the one weekday he's not in London.

Do we think he will be working weekends? Do we buggery.

Conflict of interest? No of course not.

FUCKING QUIT you Tory MP wage scrounger.

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BigChocFrenzy · 17/03/2017 13:02

The Tory party currently is just a vehicle to enable the super wealthy 0.01% to loot the country.
It is the party of oligarchs, spivs, vulture capitalists and elction fraudsters

woman12345 · 17/03/2017 13:03

Thanks for saying that Bigchoc, unity is strength and all that, I'm kind of new to this mn business and still learning the forum decorum, but all for one etc.

Bearbehind · 17/03/2017 13:04

Yes Bear, that is because I WORK

Oh, poor you, you must be the talk of the Surrey set if you're not actually rich enough that you don't need to work

Kaija · 17/03/2017 13:09

"- or if it was put on, it's an extraordinary and skillful effort to go to for very small returns"

In this case I suspect the returns are shits and giggles.

Bearbehind · 17/03/2017 13:09

Well whoever Svetlana is she is now back in the Barmy Arms without a trace of a Russian or any other accent

Glad you noticed that too ron, the 12.42 post is completely without accent.

Dropped her petticoat!

BigChocFrenzy · 17/03/2017 13:11

Looks like the spending spree that has been boosting the economy has been more down to Remainers than Leavers !

(so much for Remainers bringing the country down Wink !)

"Strong consumer confidence since the referendum has been the key factor in maintaining vigorous economic growth, an outcome that has wrongfooted many economists.

Paradoxically, Remainers have increased their spending by more than Leavers, despite having much more pessimistic views about the impact of Brexit on the economy and job security.

...Remainers expect prices to rise more sharply in the coming months, which might suggest that they have brought spending plans forward, rather than just increased their expenditure."

"Asked about the economy in the next 12 months,
20 per cent of Leavers said that they expected it to get a little or a lot worse,
compared with 80 per cent of Remainers."

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/remainer-spending-spree-leaves-economists-baffled-klbrsvldf

"The study also found that the result of the referendum would be overturned if it were run again.

Remainers today at 44 per cent narrowly outnumbered Leavers at 42 per cent.

The change was because those who did not vote last time claim they would do so in a rerun and would vote to stay in the EU."

RedToothBrush · 17/03/2017 13:13

Did you all see the story about how the Russian Embassy are asking for volunteers in the UK to be troll bots on twitter.

Just saying like...

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HashiAsLarry · 17/03/2017 13:17

You mean they're not even paying Shock

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