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Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.

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RedToothBrush · 15/03/2017 12:03

Its time for the suicide. The note will say simply, "The EU made us do it".

David Davies, says that despite May’s assertion that no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK, that actually we don’t know this as he hasn’t got round to quantifying the impact of no deal.

He still has no answers for anything apart from “I dunno” and “I’ll do it later”. I can’t wait for when the dog ate my homework excuse.

After 9 months. That’s how far we’ve got. Brexit negotiation skills will have 18 months (not 2 years as it’ll need to be ratified). We are still hiring people for the Brexit department. What about all these EU agencies that the UK will have to replicate and hire and train up in 2 years time?

I’m still waiting for Davies to tell me what all these potential benefits he keeps going on about are too. Benefits for who exactly? Ah yes we know the answer to this one too, even if its not being said. Its political elites and elites with lots of money who can consolidate power and enslave the population through debt and desperation. Goodie. Just what I’ve always wanted. As long as I can wave my Union Jack. Oh. Shit. Bugger.

Nicola Sturgeon, has been doing a good job of showing Brexiteers exactly what they look like to Remainers by holding up the mirror of irony to the Vampires of the 19th Century State. The sight of them tripping over themselves saying its irrational to hold a ‘blind vote’ and that the economic argument is flawed is hilarious. If you are not British.

Hammond has been forced to u-turn on NIC budget announcement as it was not in the spirit of the manifesto. What happened to the manifesto pledge to the protect interests in the Single Market. Lets be honest, the New Tory Manifesto read simply: “We’ll wing it and see what we can get away with”. I wonder how many people would vote for that.

Its Brexit at all costs. No matter what. We must keep the foreigners out. Even though Davis hasn’t done an assessment on the financial impact of migration. Just think about that for a second. Actually don’t because you might actually want to shoot yourself in the head.

At best the government are still relying on Game Theory as a basis for their negotiations and the EU are already going, “Er we don’t think so”.

Perhaps this is the intention of May’s tour to build consensus. She’s handing out guns and bullets to anyone who displays rational thought, to blow their own brains out.

May’s weakness is her manner and her chip on her shoulder for the law. Her own party are not immune to it. She seems to think trade deals are not done based on goodwill. May’s weakness is Britain’s folly.

Pass the blindfolds round, and get on your knees and await our own execution by our own hands.

Bang.

RIP The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland. I will remember you with nostalgic fondness but equally with bitterness and shame. Our finest hours are long since passed (and were tainted with the excesses of exploitation anyway) and we must accept this as part of the process of ‘accepting Brexit’.

Now its time for the empty hand to start being shown and the blame game to begin in earnest. The politics of hate have only just begun and the divorce has not started yet. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar are the kids we might not get custody of.

We’ll be blacking up again, running around groping women like Benny Hill and pushing people back into the closet as we hit the off switch before you know it. As well as having nice shiny new ID cards we’ll have to pay for the privilege of owning and carrying at all times, to prove we aren’t nasty illegal immigrants or those equally nasty legal ones clogging up our NHS (by working for it).

Don’t worry though. Uncle Donny will save us. If he doesn’t die suddenly after eating a bowl of Russia soup or have a fatal heart attack after accidentally falling out of a tenth story window.

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LurkingHusband · 16/03/2017 16:36

wrt Scotland, of course there are a lot of dim English who really do think it's Jockshire, and can't understand the constitutional issues around it being a sovereign country that is bound in the Union. Scotland has never ceased being it's own nation.

It was expected but illuminating that when I asked where the UKs Mason-Dixon line runs, nobody got the reference. But then "knowing stuff" is so elitist these days.

Speaking of sovereign countries ... did I imagine it, or is there tucked away somewhere in Irelands murky struggle for independence a claim on the six counties ?

boodlyboo · 16/03/2017 16:38

Unless I am unique (well, I am, but that's another story grin) there must be other people in England who - despite an antipathy towards Scottish independence - are completely supportive of their desire (and the reasoning behind it) for IndyRef 2 ?
Nope, sadly not unique in this case, I'm with you too. I'd prefer to stay united, but I don't want to drag people off a cliff edge if there's a way they can avoid it.
I'll second that Brew

BigChocFrenzy · 16/03/2017 16:38

Lh Are you old enough, like me, to remember the time before the police were militarised ?
I remember the shock the first time I saw an armed officer at an airport.

I remember also the disbelief, I think early 1980s, when a Chief Constable at a policing conference displayed an officer in what is now standard riot gear - helmet, protective clothing, shield - and said this was the what the future held.
We didn't take it seriously, thought it was just for shock purposes.

I've learned since to listen when people in authority warn me what they are going to do

Peregrina · 16/03/2017 16:39

Red, could you say more about Orgreave? Or PM me if you don't wish the information to be public.

I am interested because I worked in the area for a couple of years in the mid seventies. It was a pretty bleak area then. Although, only 10 or so miles away there was some beautiful countryside.

Motheroffourdragons · 16/03/2017 16:41

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RedToothBrush · 16/03/2017 16:46

Laura Kuenssberg‏*@bbclaurak*

First Minister hits back at May saying it is 'completely, democratically, unacceptable.'
PM's official spox “We hope they might step back from next week’s vote now we’ve made our position clear.” (seems extremely unlikely)
Amazing how two normally tough but cautious politicians, Sturgeon and May are both taking massive gambles
I'm told Tories have been focus grouping messages for 3 months, and believe 'no, not now' will work - but it is a HUGE risk
Message will undoubtedly mobilise Yes voters, No 10's hope is enough Scottish voters want the whole thing to go away

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RedToothBrush · 16/03/2017 16:51

Peregina, simply that dredging up Orgreave at a time when at some point in the near future where there is an even remote but realistic chance of riots - over Scotland, cuts, NHS, Brexit or whatever - would not be a good situation for the government to be in.

The hope is that by ignoring Orgreave they can simply avoid that hot potato and any new political fall out it might cause today.

They will not want to remind voters of their party's association with the decline of mining towns whilst trying to court those voters.

Orgreave would be inflammatory in its own right too, and might actually make future trouble more likely.

An authoritarian government simply won't want to point out how authoritarian its party has been in the past.

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Peregrina · 16/03/2017 16:52

She should just get on with trying to prove NS wrong by getting everybody a great deal from the EU instead of blethering a lot of hot air.

I agree, she's effectively opened up a battle on two fronts. This never bodes well, but May is not a student of history. Not that withdrawing from the EU needed to be a battle, but she has chosen to make it one.

woman12345 · 16/03/2017 16:59

Absolutely Peregrina on Orgreave and the Battle of the Beanfield.
BigChoc on the comparison of Euro 'populists' and UKIP, it's why the funding has to be followed and the Atlantic Bridge, stuff you found. UKIP's allies in the US alt right, share those views you listed, although Wilders in the Netherlands had US links, as you said Euro populists are more nuanced. Grandparents will remember too clearly what occupation was like? And history is taught more?
The DUP were the filters for the extra leave funding, they're on board with everything May will do, including direct rule, ( which did happen under Labour?)

Mistigri · 16/03/2017 17:00

I read that she booted out the Holocaust deniers and my French colleagues think she is wooing the Jewish vote.

Booted out some of them (notably her dad) but evidently not all. You'll see a lot of antisemitism if you search Le Pen on Twitter and look at the accounts of her francophone supporters.

The NF has a complicated relationship with French Jews - it's a bit like Trumpism, where hardline pro-Israel politicians rub shoulders with antisemites.

LurkingHusband · 16/03/2017 17:02

Lh Are you old enough, like me, to remember the time before the police were militarised ?

Yes ... growing up we knew a lot of policeman (up to Commander, which gives it away). But they were old school, and would have been horrified at the thought of carrying firearms. They used to proudly note that successive governments had always offered to arm the police if they wanted, and the police always rejected it.

Fast forward to 2005 when an innocent man can lose his head - literally - and no one ever has to account for it**, and it's a different country.

**Oops - error of fact there. Cressida Dick - who successfully evaded any responsibility has been promoted.

But then how many policeman grew up on and and live in council estates ??? It's certainly worthy of discussion that there has always been apartheid in the UK.

LurkingHusband · 16/03/2017 17:08

I agree, she's effectively opened up a battle on two fronts.

As an old Nazi once told me ... Hitlers mistake was to invade Russia ... operation Barbarossa.

prettybird · 16/03/2017 17:27

PM's official spox “We hope they might step back from next week’s vote now we’ve made our position clear.”

I must admit to LOL GrinShockGrin at that (and then had to explain to dh why). Are they fucking deluded?????? excuse the language Hmm

....but there again, we already know that they are, given their belief in everlasting cake, unicorns, fairy dust and Empire 2.0 Wink

lalalonglegs · 16/03/2017 17:50

Listening to WatO this lunchtime, it seems TM (I can't actually write her name, she just sickens me) made her pronouncement that she would not accede to Scotland's wish for a second referendum before spring 2019, in an interview with Robert Peston. Not even the political nous graciousness to phone Nicola Sturgeon first and discuss it according to the BBC Shock Shock Shock

lalalonglegs · 16/03/2017 17:53

Yes, do be quiet, pretty. We all know that TM is going to get us such a marvellous deal that the dear little Jocks aren't going to want to go anywhere. Any failure in the everlasting cake department will be entirely down to chippy attitudes and not pulling together.

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CeciledeVolanges · 16/03/2017 18:22

From the review of this week's SS-GB, posted without further comment: "Huth opened up to Archer after the death of Springer, his friend and superior officer, at the Highgate bombing. He explained how he had disliked the Nazis and their “political claptrap” in the early days and thought they were a joke. “But then it became obvious they would win,” he told Archer. “They had mean, efficient brains and determination. I like winners, that’s my weakness. Nazis are winners.” There, in a nutshell, was an explanation of how a bunch of thugs took over a country."

woman12345 · 16/03/2017 18:25

@KirstyStricklan
⚡️Breaking⚡️: First Minister accepts live TV debate challenge. Over to you, @theresa_may.

Bearbehind · 16/03/2017 18:28

NS will eat TM alive in a live debate- chuckle chuckle

woman12345 · 16/03/2017 18:30

Oh yes.

prettybird · 16/03/2017 18:30

Silly me lala Wink

We should just get back in our box and accept that WM knows what it is doing has our best interests at heart Grin

Aye. Right. Hmm

I do love the Scottish double negative

prettybird · 16/03/2017 18:33

I can't thole TM either. I have to resist the urge to throw something at the TV whenever she appears but usually fail to quell the urge to shout at the TV

woman12345 · 16/03/2017 18:34

Did Mhairi Black MP just mouth ‘you talk sh*te hen’ in Parliament

Read more: metro.co.uk/2017/03/08/did-mhairi-black-mp-just-mouth-you-talk-shte-hen-in-parliament-6497157/#ixzz4bW0XBxka

Hope so, May does.

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