Westministenders: Brexit Britain = Gridlock Britain ?

[BigChocFrenzy]

We keep getting told the Uk can get a deal like Canada, Turkey or other non-EU countries have, without FOM.
Those deals do not provide the same privileges as EU members:
They have quotas, restrictions and must obey EU regulations

e.g. After CETA, Ron Davidson, head of international trade for the Canadian Meat Council stated:
"We do not have what we would call commercially viable access to the European market".

The deal with Turkey abolished tariffs, but did not give free acess. This is what that means:

www.ft.com/content/b4458652-f42d-11e6-8758-6876151821a6

"On a recent Saturday at the Kapikule border crossing, about 30 minutes drive from the Turkish city of Edirne, a line of trucks 4km long stretched along the highway, inching along glacially towards the Bulgarian checkpoints.
"Today is a good day", said Ibrahim Kurtukcu, a 42-year trucker who had been waiting 14 hours.
"Last week the line was 7km long".
The record is 17km. It can take up to 30 hours to get through to the other side."

Of course, UK ports (and French ports) do not have the capacity, facilities, storage space or trained staff to handle customs processing of the vast amount of British exports & imports.

Building this additional capacity - where ? - would take several years and there are no signs that even the planning stage has started.

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Misti, I agree with you on loads of stuff and I understand why you were pissed off with not getting to vote in the ref, but in these cases I really believe that it should be resident citizens who get to vote on the future of the country the are citizens of, and live in.

I tend to agree with you when it comes to general elections, and since moving abroad I have always abstained in GEs (while I still had the right to vote). However the referendum was different: it had a direct impact on Britons like me. I would note, also, that commonwealth citizens got a vote, while even those Britons in the EU who were still entitled to vote were in many cases disenfranchised by the shambles that is the postal voting system.

The upshot is that when the Tories give me my vote back, as promised in the manifesto, I will cast a vote in every election from now on- and it will go to the most electable pro-EU candidate.

@MichaelLCrick Mar 12
Former Tory Chairman Grant Shapps corroborates C4 News expose of Nick Timothy's role in Sth Thanet election expenses

even those Britons in the EU who were still entitled to vote were in many cases disenfranchised by the shambles that is the postal voting system.

So misti doesn't get a vote, and election expenses could make thin tory majority invalid.

badders your DM is in a better situation than mine so take heart.

When my DM first came here there were x rules as to when she could apply for citizenship. When they came into fruition the goalposts changed. She spent years applying and years being turned down. She gave up. Now she's disabled and living off DF so isn't self supporting. I doubt she still has the paperwork that showed she's done the 5 years self supporting thing and definitely doesn't have private medical insurance

Oh hashi 😞
It's just....so wrong.

Misti. I am an exiled scot living in London. I am a leaver. I would like to vote in a scottish referendum. I want an independent Scotland but not one who sees England as the enemy, nor one led by the SNP. Not independence after a bitter divorce, more a civilised parting of the ways. That will never happen with the SNP at the helm.
So, I would vote remain, to preserve the union whilst the dust settles after brexit, then move towards a union of four independent but allied countries.

And I'd hazard that there are a fair few thinks the same.

It's just....so wrong you're right there, badders have a pint of murphys on me at lunch.

And what's worse or part of it, is the more we observe stand silently while first refugee children and parents, then 'EU' citizens/ residents are ostracised, the more we fall in to what Arendt warned of. Once humanity and compassion are compromised, the totalitarians win.

Which is why we still write and protest, humanity won't be compromised.

Thanks for saying 'it's wrong' . It is. You've spurred me on to another MP letter, and to NS and thanks to Gina Miller. And so has elena's victory with her MP.

Douglas Carswell @DouglasCarswell
I'm on top of the world (Many smilie faces)

Arron Banks @Arron_Banks
Understand my UKIP membership has been suspended. Interesting times lie ahead...

Robert Colvile‏*@rcolvile*
Now I'm no Sherlock Holmes, but it strikes me these two tweets could be connected

Paul Nuttalls of the UKIPs said last month that Banks wasn't actually a member of the UKIPs... Is what Banks' says true or is it just publicity seeking? Its fairly irrelevant tbh. We all knew something like that was going to happen. Plus we are still waiting on the EU's report on UKIP.

Anyway.

Yes The Tory Election Expenses thing isn't going away. Rumour has it that May plans to trigger a50 in the last week of March after the 60 anniversary of the EU. I wouldn't bet against her doing it on the day, just to be a total bitch and antagonise everyone. That strikes me as particularly ballsy as between now and then the Expenses Scandal seems like to hit too.

Such audacity as Clegg wisely said yesterday, is burning bridges. That might be deliberate for certain reasons - Anna Soubry was making the point that these Brexiteers have been working towards this for so long there is no way they will allow it to slip away and will do everything they can to punish people who stand in their way - which would include May. At the same time though, in doing this, they are burning good will.

At some point, I agree with Clegg that at some point there is a fair old chance that it will come crashing down and if it does it will be in spectacular fashion

Now this story:
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/russian-whistleblower-poisoning-alexander-perepilichnyy-surrey-gelsemium-elegans-sorrel-soup-flushed-a7628736.html
Russian whistleblower 'may have been poisoned with tainted soup' but stomach evidence was flushed away, court hears

Is absolutely nothing to do with politics. At all. Any coincidence with on political figures here and in the US is just that. A coincidence. It just happens to be about a Russian whistle-blower on money laundering who has been bumped off. Nothing to see here.

I'm loving the trolling with a picture of Trump advertising global news half way through the article

And I have to just put my head in my hands about Corbyn's protest last night...

Kevin Schofield‏ @PolhomeEditor
Jeremy Corbyn to lead Momentum demo outside parliament tomorrow calling on govt to guarantee the legal status of EU citizens in the UK

Wu Ming‏*@twlldun*

If I wanted to parody Corbyn, "organising a demo against the consequences of a vote he whipped MPs to support" would be up there.

WHO THE FUCK TURNED UP AND SUPPORTED THIS? On what planet do they live on? Which drugs are they taking because they must be pretty damn good.

Ian Dunt‏*@IanDunt*

Those Brexiter excuses for indyref2 in full: 1) The SNP wanted independence anyway. 2) This is Remainers' fault for not working with us 3) They won't get into EU. 4) Er 5) That's it.
This is a moment to take a breath, recognise the repercussions of the policy & ask yourself if it's worth it. It'll only get worse from here

Oh and we can't have one because it would be asking the voters to vote blind...

That's what passes for policy. It won't wash.

Good to have you back RTB

Woman..
Unlike the murphys, I am bitter!
😡😂

If I was TM, I would suggest that the citizens of Scotland should first have a ref to decide whether or not they actually want another Indyref.

We all know that the SNP & NS want one - but does Scotland?
Opinion polls are not worth a wank.

If only we had had one of those before the EU ref...

agreed Kaija.

Opinion polls are not worth a wank.

Yet some Leavers delight on coming on these threads to tell us how well May is doing in the opinion polls. They are less forthcoming about Tory seats being lost in Local Government by elections.

I am an exiled scot living in London. I am a leaver. I would like to vote in a scottish referendum

But you were fine with me, a Briton in France, being disenfranchised in the EU referendum? There's a word for that.

If I was TM, I would suggest that the citizens of Scotland should first have a ref to decide whether or not they actually want another Indyref.

I suspect that if indyref2 is refused, NS will simply conduct an unofficial referendum.

It will be another of those non-binding referendums ;)

The next two years look like turning into a spectator sport of the kind that the ancient Romans might have enjoyed.

Opinions polls are apparently fine when they show leavers don't want EU nationals already here forced out.

MO4D
because they hate the tories and scottish labour is in about as good a state as Corbyns Labour. And a bit like in by elections, SNP are a bit like the local chap you trust to best deal with local issues.

Dunno what you are going on about Misti, I don't know you except as a username on an internet forum. Its just tough luck that neither you nor I, due to residency requirements, were disenfranchised.

@matthewlbishop
A Eurocrat just told me same of May vis-à-vis EU: all she had to do in Brussels was compromise, meet in middle. Now knives are out.

@iandunt
Hearing this again and again. Expectations were that May would make overtures and negotiation possible on free movement.
Instead she sat tongue-tied with other EU leaders, no offers came, and then she announced hard Brexit at Tory conference.
Shortly afterwards they unveiled foreign worker plans in Rudd speech. That was moment European attitudes hardened.

Remember this when people claim its the EU who won't negotiate or give us a good deal. This is what we sent in there.

soz typo enfranchised

Jack of Kent has suddenly started working overtime. This time it's about the SNP and Sinn Féin seizing the Opportunity.

I note this comment in particular: The SNP and Sinn Féin have thought hard about how to exploit this political opportunity. Only a fool would underestimate either entity.

I suspect that May and her three stooges will underestimate them.

Remember this when people claim its the EU who won't negotiate or give us a good deal

Nononono Hashi it's always somebody else's fault, OK? We, who are the greatest people on earth and to whom are due the most wondrous bounties, are nevertheless utterly impotent in the face of... well, everyone and everything.