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Brexit

Westministers: The Lords Strike Back

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 01/03/2017 19:41

This needs no fanfare or lengthy post. Just this:

The Lords are demanding amendments unilateral protection for EU citizens.

Labour was split 358 for an amendment to 256 against.

This is after Amber Rudd had tried to reassure the Lords by writing a letter assuring peers that EU citizens would be treated with the utmost respect.

Utmost respect = an amendment to guarantee unilateral support.

Today is a good day. It should have been done in the first place.

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woman12345 · 03/03/2017 09:31

And I claim my first prize for script spotting Grin

YERerseISootTHEwindy · 03/03/2017 09:34

I am just letting you know that it is just as stupid to brand leave voters as racists as it is to brand remain voters as terrorists.

Motheroffourdragons · 03/03/2017 09:34

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woman12345 · 03/03/2017 09:34

Script 2: HOL are traitors, today's word is different.

YERerseISootTHEwindy · 03/03/2017 09:35

Lico hope your pension is ok Flowers

woman12345 · 03/03/2017 09:36

I feel as if this thread has become some sort of strange parallel universe at the moment

We have our basement guests.

howabout · 03/03/2017 09:36

Re the Express article YRPepper posted. I would hope and anticipate that EU Nationals granted right to Remain would be in at least the same position as non-EU nationals with right to remain and that would include access to all services based on Residence including the NHS.

Again the double standard re non EU Nationals and the dangers of DC's renegotiation on access to benefits are very evident in this discussion and I feel vindicated in voting Leave.

LurkingHusband · 03/03/2017 09:42

I am sure there are plenty of terrorists, traffickers etc who appreciate the slack borders

Drug barons are also highly supportive of our current drugs laws ..

YERerseISootTHEwindy · 03/03/2017 09:42

Very possibly, but they certainly didn't have billboards advertising it though, did they ?

But you are missing the point. Racists would have voted leave anyway.... other people saw the billboards, thought farage was a twat and voted leave for completely different reasons. The billboard wouldn't have achieved anything at all other than further confirming that farage is a tWat.

There were 2 options and for me the other one with the ever closer Europe was a clear no.

HashiAsLarry · 03/03/2017 09:42

It's all going very to script. Poor rtb wants a break. Maybe time to get back to real rather than made up issues for rtbs sake.

woman12345 · 03/03/2017 09:43

Agree Hash.

whatwouldrondo · 03/03/2017 09:43

Howabout I really don't get the argument that because we have brutal inhumane immigration policy for non EU nationals that we should apply the same to EU nationals , who after all are our neighbours. What is wrong with having humane immigration policies that are in the country's economic interests (and business and the knowledge economy have been highlighting how unfit for purpose those immigration policies have been in terms of attracting skills and talent to this country) for all?

woman12345 · 03/03/2017 09:45

Hashi whoops!

NI elections, and May trying to bully Scots are today's news.

May will soon run out of groups to harass.

Peregrina · 03/03/2017 09:46

I am sure there are plenty of terrorists, traffickers etc who appreciate the slack borders. They probably voted remain.

Which slack borders are these? UK terrorists of recent years have been home grown. Previously, in the 70s we had IRA attacks, but those border arrangements were ones we had had for 50 years.

howabout · 03/03/2017 09:47

That is exactly what I want but a free for all for EU and an overall target bashing everyone else was never going to achieve that ron

Peregrina · 03/03/2017 09:47

May will soon run out of groups to harass.

How to win friends and influence people, hey? I might be able to look out a copy of Dale Carnegie's book of the same title to send to her.

YERerseISootTHEwindy · 03/03/2017 09:48

I would argue for more humane immigration policy through negotiation.

I don't agree with the house of lords going against the commons on any issue, because they are non elected.

If in the future that changed then great.

woman12345 · 03/03/2017 09:48

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/03/northern-ireland-assembly-poll-election-turnout-highest-decade

Northern Ireland assembly poll turnout 'highest in a decade'
Voting expected to exceed 60% with higher numbers likely to reflect anger over bungled renewable heat incentive scheme

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-assembly-election/live-northern-ireland-assembly-election-results-turnout-expected-to-be-best-for-a-decade-35495537.html

Ulster Unionist chief Mike Nesbitt could also face questions over his leadership if his decision to transfer his vote to the SDLP does not pay off. And the election will be seen as a test of SDLP leader Colum Eastwood's strategy, as he attempts to claw back support from Sinn Fein, while Alliance's Naomi Long, who only became leader last October, has capitalised on the troubles facing the Executive parties - and gains are not out of the question.

YERerseISootTHEwindy · 03/03/2017 09:50

Woman.

I'm a Scot. She is not bullying me.

HashiAsLarry · 03/03/2017 09:50

may will soon run out of groups to harrass

Tbf it's more Murdoch will but then he's managed so long I'm sure he will find something to pull out of the bag Grin

woman12345 · 03/03/2017 09:52

Sinn Fein could even top the poll with its new northern leader Michelle O'Neill

May find her a tougher opponent than Sturgeon.

YERerseISootTHEwindy · 03/03/2017 09:53

She is probably bullying nicola sturgeon, but as she clearly wants to drag us out of the UK against our will I do not mind.

She can be as horrible to nicola sturgeon as she likes.

RedAndYellowPeppers · 03/03/2017 09:53

YER could we agree that some Leave voters are xenophobic?
And that's some of the rethorics going round atm are all about xenophobia?
And that some of the decisions from the government are feeding these rethorics?

By that I mean, the 'ready to leave' letters to people who don't comply with the PRC? Is that not feeding the idea that foreigners aren't welcome and WILL be deported even though they are legally staying in the uk?
Or the fact that said PRC specifically specify that the card should be taken with you at all time. Is that not feeding the idea that EU citizens aren't and shouldn't be just welcome, even if they have lived here for several years, have lived here legally and contributed to the country in various ways for all those years?

In my view, the current government is feeding the xenophobic sentiment VERY well.

This is the same government who has told the remoaners that they should stop being against Brexit because (her idea of) bresit WILL go ahead regardless and they have to go behind her.
That means that people like you, who might not have wanted the xenophobic attudes, are supposed to be behind her, behind those measures, even more so than remoaners as you have voted to leave the EU.
You can't say at the same time that remoaners should stop complaining and that the majority has spoken AND say that actually this is not what you wanted.

You can't say that you voted Leave but didn't voted for the red bus or the xenophobic comments. Your vote for Brexit didn't specify that. Your Brexit vite said YES to ALL the rethorics for Brexit becaus eits impossible to separate the votes of those who want xenophobia dnthoae who don't. Just as it is impossible to separate those who wanted a solution Brexit and those who wanted a hard Brexit.
And yes it si crap and not reflecting accurately the wishes of the population, but that was the tool.

It IS crap to be brushed under the same brush as people who are xenophobes.
It is also very hard to brush under the same brush than illegal immigrants or those who have 'overused' the system (e.g. Those who have come here with no intention of working, which are very very few) and be told to go back home. To be seeing second class citizens worth nothing. That we only good enough to be bargaining chips and that the effect it has on your life's, the life's of 3 millions people actually don't really matter. We can just used them in our little political games. So it's ok to terrify us because then TM is more likely to get whatever she wants.

Btw, re the word terrorists and open borders meaning that more of them can come in.
Do you mean that terrorists are more likely to be European? Because, as far as I know, the last terrorists attacks were done by British citizens.
Are you talking about the IRA and the like? Because those people are British too.
Who are those terrorists that are more likely to come over because of the open borders???

RedAndYellowPeppers · 03/03/2017 09:55

Sorry it toook some time to write that and the discussion has moved on.

woman12345 · 03/03/2017 09:56

Tbf it's more Murdoch will but then he's managed so long I'm sure he will find something to pull out of the bag

‘Walking in a loud shirt in a built up area during the hours of darkness’ Grin