Westministers: The Lords Strike Back

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This needs no fanfare or lengthy post. Just this:

The Lords are demanding amendments unilateral protection for EU citizens.

Labour was split 358 for an amendment to 256 against.

This is after Amber Rudd had tried to reassure the Lords by writing a letter assuring peers that EU citizens would be treated with the utmost respect.

Utmost respect = an amendment to guarantee unilateral support.

Today is a good day. It should have been done in the first place.

I don't agree with the house of lords going against the commons on any issue, because they are non elected.

May I suggest that you read up about British Government and our Parliamentary System? By all means argue for reform of the Lords - I don't see you doing that. You don't like the decision they made, but that doesn't mean they are wrong. They are doing their job - they revise sloppy legislation to say that 'this needs more thought'.

I said once before - try the thought experiment where we had an extreme left wing government. Would you want that to go through unopposed?

But I have to say, I'm not feeling very compassionate towards Leave voters today.

Not when I ended up having to say this morning to my dcs that they HAD to are an effort to learn french because we might well have to leave the country and they couldn't take the risk of not being and able to read and write and a decent ish level.
Not when I have to tell them that we might well have to leave their country because of some vote from people 'who didn't really want that to happen' and 'it's not what they voted for when they voted Leave'

Howabout That ain't going to happen though is it? May was Home Secretary for ten years during which time she stubbornly resisted calls even from her own party to implement a less bureaucratic immigration process for non EU migrants because the current process was harming the economy. I know from the sharp end what a barrier it is to us being a fully functioning part of the global economy. She even turned her back on a possible trade deal with India because it required us to relax those processes, and ironically our leaving opens a door again on an India /EU trade deal because she was the barrier.

The woman was is an obsessed xenophobia and Amber seems determined to be a mini me. No sign of even moderate Tories being able to shift either of them

I'd be worried for Ruth Davidson if May is going to talk to the Scottish Tories. It'll probably set her back a point or 6 in the opinion polls there
agree mother
and watching NI closely today.

RedAndYellowPeppers hugs to your DCs learning French and more to you.

Peregrina

RedandYellowPeppers from a British family who are brushing up their Mandarin in the event of hard Brexit... ..

Actually to be exact if the signals it is going to be a hard Brexit don't soften in the next couple of months.....

Yes - some good news at last. Our cherished parliamentary sovereignty in action. As others have said, a shame H of C couldn't have done the decent thing in the first place.

YER could we agree that some Leave voters are xenophobic?
And that's some of the rethorics going round atm are all about xenophobia?
And that some of the decisions from the government are feeding these rethorics?

I read as far as this... which on balance seemed reasonable. The rest was a rant.

Most of my friends here are immigrants as I am also percieved by many as an immigrant so I understand.

I very very much believe in democracy and I never believe that the house of lords should be able to effect house of commons decisions.

I believe it allows for a form of class bias that I do not think should be supported in a democratic country.

I think the house of lords should have been abolished/reformed a long time ago and I would believe that regardless of which issue they were voting on.

script-spotting

Yes, it is amazing how coordinated the responses are. Note that I don't necessarily think this is a sign of shilling, just that these people all get their talking points from the same places. You can see it in the language - any poster who uses "bias" instead of "biased" as an adjective almost certainly picked this up on alt-reich websites or forums (it's a strange error that I had rarely seen until about a year ago and which propagated rapidly across social media; the intersection between language errors and political ideology would make a fascinating PhD subject).

Do not forget nearly 40% voted for it.... that seems to be conveniently forgotten when NS speaks for Scottish people.

Fun, ain't it Misti ? for next script spotter. Semantic 'tells', are clear 'giveaways'.

I think the house of lords should have been abolished/reformed a long time ago

Tories nixed this in 2010 I believe. You reap what you sow.

Unless you believe that the UK is not a democracy, then the HoL cannot, by definition, be anti-democratic. You can't have it both ways.

HOL was Wednesday's script. ('Traitor' has been removed.)

They're worried about Michelle O Neill today.

You can see it in the language - any poster who uses "bias" instead of "biased" as an adjective almost certainly picked this up on alt-reich websites or forums

Hello oooh. ...I think you might have spent so long with your head up your arse that you will read what you want in to anything I say

Is it only me who doesn't know whether to laugh or cry when reading about Theresa May accusing Nicola Sturgeon of tunnel vision????

Long shift this morning.

Ah but these are people who want parliamentary sovereignty and are complaining when they courts said parliament had to give it the ok. Clearly some people were issued with a different dictionary.

Well as it seems OK to forget about the 48+% of people who voted Remain, I'm not sure why we should have any concern about the 40% of Scots who voted Leave TBH.

YER with no disrespect, you are not an immigrant and therefore have no idea what immigrants are going through.
Just as someone who is white British has no idea what it means to be black in the uk. Even if you have 'plenty of friends' who are black.

So you might see what I say as a rant.
Maybe it is. Or maybe it's actually another way to look at the reality.
What you cannot do is dismiss it. As I said, you arebtbthe one who has to have a chat with their British children about potentially having to leave their country.
People were horrified by Mo Farrah letter when DT decided to stop Muslims coming into the country. That letter could apply very well to EU citizens here. Was he ranting too??

s it only me who doesn't know whether to laugh or cry when reading about Theresa May accusing Nicola Sturgeon of tunnel vision????

You know how the old saying goes. Takes one to know one

Long shift this morning.

The frequent new names are a thing too - whilst I am certain that everybody on this topic is a longstanding MNer who has just namechanged, it is very difficult to build up a "picture" of the people you are talking to. For this reason, I have a sort of fondness for the familiar names that I recognise, even if I utterly disagree with them.