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Our children wouldn't know any different. We can already see the propaganda machine of the eu at work when people crying saying they won't be able to travel anymore etc. It was vital that we had to the vote now with the wisdom and experience of the older generation who remembered life pre social and political union, who saw Misson creep. Before next generation totally brain washed.

To be fair misti

I think that some leavers didnt know what parliamentary sovereignty meant, and now its here they dont like it

And to be fairer still a lot of our mps didnt seem to realise what it meant either

And i am bored with all the talk of democracy when mps were 'threatened' if they didnt give the right answer and the HOL are being 'threatened' as well

I wont be signing though

mother

I would welcome a vote from parliament on the outcome of the negotiations

But

I have a horrible feeling that they will vote the way they are told to...again

And

I think it would be nearly impossible to stay in the EU now...and by god the fallout !!!

Sorry not sure if i have been clear

I think it should go through parliment to try and get the best deal we can

Already signed. Outside M25.

Why are leavers so scared of there being in a meaningful vote in Parliament with our elected officials making a decision in the interests of the country? If Brexit is in the best interests of the country, presumably they would vote for that?

Although at this point, it's all about MPs fearing losing their seats, so they would vote in their own self-interest anyway. Failure of our parliamentary system.

I agree mother

But i think some people and mps would force this through even if it could be proved that we would have to go back to living in caves

Its the loss of face for many in government

Niamer I am genuinely curious about the long term aspect of the Eu.
I voted to leave, not because of immigration and not even because I really believe it's that terrible now.
I do however believe it has no successful future. It is so vastly different to what was envisioned and has spread beyond its own control. There is no successful way to incorporate the needs so of so many diverse countries to the extent that the Eu would wish.
I think it has/had many wonderful benefits but is now a ticking time bomb, ask Greece or Portugal!
I voted out with a heavy heart because I think it was the only chance we'll get and I think the Eu will only continue to struggle.
I guarantee we will not be the last to go.

Ugh not her. Again.

Seems to be the same as stop the silence on the other thread, although it is a content free website with no clear statements, just a video . so it could be something entirely different.

I guarantee we will not be the last to go.

Still doesn't explain why you are so fiercely resistant to letting MPs do the job they were elected to do - representing their country's, their constituents' and their parties' (in that order) interests in the House of Commons.

C'mon, leavers, tell us what's so wrong with parliamentary sovereignty? Or is it just because a woman who has committed the heinous crime of being a bit brown wants parliament to have a vote?

I genuinely cannot understand why anyone would be "bitterly upset" about the democratic vote to leave.

Remain peddled project fear and lost. Leave made suggestions that were misleading. Neither side covered themselves in glory.

However, the EU is only going become more and more powerful. It's an undemocratic, federalist beast with the aims of abolishing the nation state. Remain told us there were no plans for an EU army; there is. Think a lot of people have very little understanding of the aims and mechanisms of the EU. used to work there and saw how little power the elected MEPs have; they can only amend or rubber stamp legislation put forward by unelected officials.

We voted to leave, so leave we shall.

The irony of remainers standing up for parliamentary sovereignty...

So Gina Miller's Big Plan is this:

• Trigger A50
• Negotiate a Brexit deal with rEU
• Parliament then vote on whether to remain in EU or Leave.

UK is a net contributor to the EU, to the tune of:
£23 million per day.
£161 million per week.
£690 million per month.
£8.3 billion per year.

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

Please tell me why the EU would prefer UK to Leave the EU, rather than Remain?

And then tell me why it would be good for the UK economy to be subject to a further 2 years of Leave/Remain uncertainty.

We voted to leave, so leave we shall.

For sure. And I am confident that a vote in the HoC would confirm any deal, however bad.

The important thing is that if/when it turns out to be a disaster, people can hold their own MPs responsible based on how they voted. That's democracy.

Some of us have always believed in parliamentary democracy; you OTOH seem to think that MPs should have no say.

And then tell me why it would be good for the UK economy to be subject to a further 2 years of Leave/Remain uncertainty.

From an economic point of view, I am not sure that there is any signficant difference between uncertainty generated by the leave/remain question, or the uncertainty generated by concerns about whether the UK will leave with a deal (however bad) or without any deal at all.

Companies are already taking investment decisions based on an elevated risk that there will be no deal/ a bad one.

Fwiw, I would imagine that the reality of a 'meaningful' vote near the end would be based on:

accept the negotiated deal
Vs
v soft Brexit

Rather than:

accept negotiated deal
Vs
Nothing at all

But to make it 'accept deal or Remain' is ridiculous and completely disregarding the Referendum outcome.

what is so bad about MPs voting on the deal that we get?

Turn the question around for a moment. Gina Miller wants to block Brexit and has said she will keep launching challenges to this end. What does she believe is so bad about MPs carrying out the result of the referendum, or at least what their own constituents decided (which would still result in "leave")?

Even in a so-called "advisory" referendum, the balance must surely (ethically and logically) be towards carrying out the result ("advice"), not the other way round. The government's own £9m leaflet to every household said "The government will implement what you decide".

There's another very strong reason to not introduce any new vote where "remain in the EU" is on the paper. Any chance of that and the EU would undoubtedly offer the worst deal possible, so that the UK would get cold feet and pick "remain".

I have no problem whatsoever with a parliamentary vote on (1) take the "deal" or (2) reject the deal and leave anyway.

accept the negotiated deal Vs v soft Bre

Semi I am mystified as to how you can believe this.

A very soft brexit would need to be subject to negotiations and agreed with the EU27 as well, presumably, as the other EEA members (Norway in particular may be against). Are you suggesting that the government should carry out parallel negotiations, with one strand of negotiations being based on a hard brexit and another on a soft brexit? How would that work?

Or are you suggesting that if no favourable deal is achieved, we stay in until we get a better one? How does that reduced uncertainty, and how do you get the EU27 to agree to that unanimously?

I am genuine puzzled. I think there will be one deal, for which parliament will vote regardless of how bad it is, because the alternative is by definition worse.

"I have no problem whatsoever with a parliamentary vote on (1) take the "deal" or (2) reject the deal and leave anyway."

Then you really have no conception of what is at stake.