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So.......where were we?

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😂😂Bored, love it!

Regarding the thread title;
I didn't think 'all welcome' was necessary anymore tbh, everyone knows they're welcome to post if they want to.

Plus, 'all welcome' made us sound a bit like the Salvation Army.

I'm really quite worried.

I was talking to somebody who said that worse case scenario with Brexit was that we are all a bit poorer and the Union breaks up. I don't think this is the worse case scenario at all.

I think the single biggest thing the EU has given us is peace in Europe. Looking back at history, we were almost permanently at war. I think Brexit and DT are riding on a popularist wave. Trump's election was close, maybe Brexit was a factor. If Le Pen wins the French presidency (more likely imo on the back of Brexit and Trump wins) and we then have Frexit I think it will be very difficult for the Euro and EU to survive. Europe (including us) will then be in chaos. Putin will grab his chance to reclaim what he (and many Russians) see as rightfully his and land grab the east. I fear there is a slim but very real possibility we could be plunged back into war on the back of all this.

Anybody with better knowledge of history and politics, please explain why this isn't a possibility and could never happen. This is why I came onto this thread with my worries and not a remainer thread. I am a really firm remainer, but I'm trying to be as positive as possible about leaving. I really am very worried about how unstable Europe could become though. I think the economy is the least of our worries.

I think that what's given Europe peace since the war is the memory of the war.

The EU didn't because it wasn't anything more than a trade agreement until the 90s, and only between a minority of European countries anyway.

It is also historically untrue that Europe was perpetually at war prior to the EU. While it is true that assume unpleasantness was often going on somewhere, this remains the case right now.

Toad is right - the current EU has massively mushroomed from a simple trade agreement. That's one of its main problems - nobody voted for the social and political union it's become.

I watched the Katya Adler documentary - firstly, wow! She speaks at least four languages. And secondly - she's a very clever and astute reporter, she's put her finger on many of the reasons why the EU (and the Euro) will fail before long. Another lucky escape for the UK was not going into the Euro, and then like now, the liberal lefties were wailing in despair at that decision.

I think the rewriting of history to say the Glorious I tell you GLORIOUS EU is solely responsible for peace in Europe is just that: rewriting history. Brexit is a slowrolling juggernaut of freedom driven by our Nige, it's rolled over the faux left pleading for the migrants (Shave the Children) it's flattened Project Fear (economy is on the up, Mark Carney is a political peddler bring back MK he's got a better grip on reality) booted Cameron into the boondocks. The latest faux terror is a new war in Europe because we won't pay for Junkers next junket jog on please I'm not falling for it.

Fake I don't believe for one single second that the eu union was, is responsible for peace in Europe. As pp have pointed out the social and political merging into a soviet style monolithic block that no one voted for is relatively new. Look how much damage it did in short space of time. Ironically I feel if anything is going to cause war this sly merging of countries will. Europe had no appetite for war and no money for war and no men to fight in war. Wars were used as tools by leaders and nature of leaders changed. And nature of weapons. However there is also argument we have had war in Europe and European union was useless.

Hilarious the augury. And yes eu seems to rule through fear.

The European Union is not the cause of peace between countries.

Unfortunately, the European Union has been the cause of increased hostility & violence within countries.

The European Union is not the reason that Putin hasn't invaded other countries - if he really wanted to, he would.
Do you think he's actually really that bothered about the European Union's military might?!

The reason Putin doesn't mess with Europe is because of NATO & the UN.

Even then huge reliance on USA to protect them from putin. Why had the union not been shoring up its defensives? Making sure they all contribute 2%.probably the same reason why they can't monitor or do a damn thing about anything including mass corruption of government

Agreed Semi. IMO Germany, under the ruse of the EU, and sheltered by NATO, has been stealthily continuing its expansionist inclinations and at the same time weakening the financial economies of the other members of the Eurozone. If the EU could be considered in any way to keep peace in Europe, it is only by bleeding Europe to death.
And as for their greater ambitions, why do they want Turkey to join do you think? It wouldn't be the attraction of their huge army would it? And what about their recent hasty denial of nuclear intentions. The sooner that the EU falls apart the better, for world peace.

Morning all

The most disturbing part of the KA doc for me was the complete myopia in Germany that their prosperity is not because of the benevolent EU but because they have used the EU as a vehicle to impoverish their fellow Euro members.

Despite all the talk of political and social integration in Europe through the EU it appears that there is ever more polarisation because no-one views it as "all in it together".

well quite, howabout, because who knows what 'it' is, faceless, unelected, opaque, unaccountable.

As Nigel famously asked 'Who are you?'

I may watch it then

I wish someone would make a blockbuster and use that speech as an opening scene.

Yes the who are you was v pertinent. As mulloch said another used to be town mayor

Saw this and lol'd so thought I'd share:

How to would make a blockbuster if it's Hollywood they may not like us leaving eu due to potential issues with cheap film locations in Bulgaria

and no luvvies would be willing to act in it

Semi

semi post that alongside the seb prance cocksucker one