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So.......where were we?

Nearly as sexy as 'Take your fucking coat off' - by Tom Hardy

Oh yes what film was that Inkanta.

Sexy Brexy getting hot under the collar in here tonight

Urghh Nicolas Soames. DM took me to H of C once to show me and there was this man sat there with his feet up on the wool sack never forgotten it.

Bear, you really do need to calm down. I'm worried about you and the NHS is overstretched.
Sit down, relax and have a drink. ( just don't bring that bloody chair with you)
We are nice people, honest.

Good link becausebecausebecause - thank you.

Oh yes fridges! I'd forgotten the fridges

Boris does poetry even -

“There was a young fellow from Ankara, Who was a terrific wankerer.
Till he sowed his wild oats, With the help of a goat, But he didn’t even stop to thankera.”

'Oh yes what film was that Inkanta.'

Taboo last night

I might sack bridget jones baby for taboo now.....

Becausebecause etc - Great List thanks.

This is what Tom Watson should have been talking about yesterday. Bit of a long read but worth it.

"... the suggestion by Michael Sandel in a recent interview with the New Statesman that Labour needs to return to “its roots in a kind of moral and civic critique of the excesses of capitalism”.

This was the core thrust of Merrie England, and the original spirit of a Labour party that had its roots in religion, not Marxism. But during the 20th century, the “ethical tradition” faded as the parliamentary party became more pragmatic and managerial, while the left pursued the more confrontational Marxist route of class struggle. And from the late 1980s onwards, as the new individualism launched by the Thatcher/Reagan era swept all before it, Labour began to talk far more about aspiration, choice and social mobility than it did about community."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/12/brexit-labour-identity-crisis-solution-return-to-roots

Thanks howabout, just read your link.
Very much reflects my feelings on where it all went wrong & how the future should be shaped.

Does anyone in the party read any of this or discuss it?
So many wonderful articles well before the REF even spelling out what Labour needs to do and yet - on the big number one subject of immigration we had Miliband starting every single comment on I with " Look, My dad was an immigrant"
Who advises them? They need to look at why they are failing to understand where they are going wrong!

Labour needs to lose the faction whose natural habitat is the lib-non-dems to that party. They were really just coat tail hijackers anyway, worshiping at the altar of Tony. (social globalists never quite had a ring to it imo). That would consolidate True Labour and their only issue would be how to reconnect with the traditional working class.
That should be possible.

But its just too early for them right now, as the polarisation means people want to let the UKIP threat linger, so UKIP, Cons will get pro-Brexit votes and LND anti-brexit votes.

I think once we are out of the EU, to the extent that a deal has been agreed-not all the buggering around that we know will go on for some time afterwards - Labour will make a huge comeback then. People will have their country back and the repair to the social fabric can begin.

So for the next two years if I was labour I'd be prepared to not stand or to lose in a few by-elections, and instead use the time wisely to get my manifesto ready for the GE

No one has filled labour in on your plan bored...Sadly I think they are still hedging their bets about which chunk of their electorate to go with and show no sign of deciding.

I've emailed them myself😉

Morning people, are we well? I'm out of the pub and on the coffee finally While perusing some of the docu maker Ann McElhinney's work on climate change I came across this little gem and had to share it. It's from 2011 I think but just as relevant today as it was then EU ref at six minutes in but the whole thing is worth watching.

ps re my 13.14 post- I also wouldn't rule out acompkete overhaul of Tories domestic policies, make nhs, manufacturing, transport, housing and UK wide business, priorites.

Then we would have a proper two horse race again. The WMs will say 2 unicorn race but hey

Brexit amazed me because Labour could've plumped for the Leave side and would now be preparing for government. I'm very pleased that didn't happen BTW.

Why didn't Labour do that? Because they're oh-so-inclusive and won't entertain the idea of controlled immigration. If only they'd taken their heads out of the idealistic arses and listened to their core voters, people whose earnings have been undercut by E Europeans and whose schools have problems supporting so many new ESL students.

bored I'll eat my hat if the Tories make the NHS a priority. (I do have a hat I can spare). They will prioritise its privatisation. It is in serious trouble, both actually and ideologically. The narrative of 'we can't afford this' is well and truly established.

8 out of 10 cats voted Brexit too.

Nick Ferrari speaking on The Pledge last night (SkyNews) proposed a brilliant way around health tourism, or indeed any non-EU person 'caught short' while in Britain and causing a £400k NHS bill.

1. Send the bill to that patient's embassy in London, who will no doubt refuse to pay it. In which case, deduct the amount from our foreign aid budget to that particular country. So Priscilla's bill of £400k for delivering quintuplets and their aftercare would be deducted from aid that we sent to Nigeria.

Also, when formally leaving the EU we are expected to pay a very large sum of money amounting to billions to the EU for breaking our membership.

1. UK is owed approx. £600k from EU countries for treatment of its citizens. Its managed to recoup just £60m.

We should factor in all unrecovered monies still outstanding to us from EU countries, for the medical treatment of their citizens. Deduct from the extortionate punishment fee they want to charge us. It's only fair, afterall.

I like your thinking Southall but I'd like to see an end to foreign aid. It is corrupt and ridiculous the amount we spend/send.

TheAugury - I remember a bunch of financial journalists saying on TV that, just to explain before the discussion begins, 'foreign aid' is just a palm-greaser so that we our country can operate and do business in those countries. It is not, apparently, humanitarian. It's just odd that no one picked up on that statement and spoke about it in the media.

southall We also need to ask for our share of the EU wine cellar; the return of our contribution to the swanky updated building www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/08/eu-unveils-new-300m-space-egg-hq-europa-brussels/ and the costs we have contributed to the EEAS missions embassies to non EU nations, given that the UK have plenty of our own.

Bear If remain had won, then we would have been in an unreformed EU indefinitely, with all the attendant pitfalls of the continual ratchet of the Acquis Comunautaire; the changes to pensions that were on the books, the introduction of QMV, the 'mission creep' of EU competencies into areas previously not coming into those competencies, and these would never be relinquished to the nature of the Acquis. Better off out imo.

And as I boringly keep mentioning, the EU army

scary I almost wish I had Not Read That article Makes me think of Versailles.

YY Bored - but the EU army is very much on the cards!