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So .....how are we all this evening?

I think seek would deffo want to live in slough if her mum was there

Oooh cross post

And at a very sensitive time

I think it is unreasonable to expect the Government to guarantee the rights of EU citizens who live here. Either we get a reciprocal agreement or our citizens will have to leave other EU nations. If EU citizens have to leave the UK it will be the fault of the EU.
And I have to wonder why they did not take out UK citizen ship. If they felt more committed to the UK than their country of birth then they would have done so.
And before you start about older Brits in Spain, I agree with you. They should have done the same with Spanish citizenship.
I will not mind if they have to return to their birth country.

Of course the Syrians need help far more urgently than residents of Slough, as in help to stay alive, eat and not be shot. But we can't take everyone and there is a huge argument for helping people nearest to where they come from. Obviously the cause of the war in Syria is another murky issue.

"what do you care about most: Slough or Syria?"

Care in what context? Slough has gone to the dogs. Syria was going to be a jewel in the Sunni crown, but instead it has been razed to the ground.

I guess I meant - which one takes up more of your head space and incites more emotion in you when you see footage of it.

To be clear: whether my mum, your mum, or no mums lived in Slough, I'd choose to live there over Aleppo any day of the week. If you pretend otherwise, you're probably an idiot.

Slough can't go to the dogs anymore though - it's a Sainsbury's now

Weird - I didn't type that as a link???

Interesting new survey on European attitudes to Muslim migration.

'In our survey, carried out before President Trump’s executive order was announced, respondents were given the following statement: ‘All further migration from mainly Muslim countries should be stopped’. They were then asked to what extent did they agree or disagree with this statement. Overall, across all 10 of the European countries an average of 55% agreed that all further migration from mainly Muslim countries should be stopped, 25% neither agreed nor disagreed and 20% disagreed.

Majorities in all but two of the ten states agreed, ranging from 71% in Poland, 65% in Austria, 53% in Germany and 51% in Italy to 47% in the United Kingdom and 41% in Spain. In no country did the percentage that disagreed surpass 32%...Public opposition to further migration from Muslim states is especially intense in Austria, Poland, Hungary, France and Belgium, despite these countries having very different sized resident Muslim populations. - See more at: www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/what-do-europeans-think-about-muslim-immigration#sthash.aSvVdw8q.dpuf

• See more at: www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/what-do-europeans-think-about-muslim-immigration#sthash.aSvVdw8q.dpuf

As I said we lived very near Slough, so are very fully aware of the impact on the schools and the hospitals. But I also said, the immigration was of Asian extraction, not Blairs 57 million EE immigrants

Maybe you left then before the influx from Eastern Europe. I did mention the Slough Council Memorandum and I am not sure if you had said you read it.

I am going to assume you have not read it because if you had - you would be far clearer on the facts. Its a blow by blow account on the direct impact of services by mass immigration from the EU.

The hospitals around Slough were also directly affected and in fact one was frequently named the worst hospital in the UK.

I feel the UK public want more refugees from Syria and I also believe there would have been more clamour for them - if they had not been so badly affected by Blair;s irresponsible immigration policies.

Mother do seek out that memorandum if your interested in all this.

"which one takes up more of your head space and incites more emotion in you when you see footage of it"

I would not live in either Slough or Aleppo.
What excites more emotion in me is the devastation of Syria's native wildlife, always the losers in such disgusting human activity.

Interesting how the debate has widened out - I thought we were discussing what do we care about More, Mothers current position in Belgium, or the far wider impacts of Being Part of the EU - eg - the Direct Impact on Mass Immigration on communities like those in Slough.

Now its been opened up to Slough v Syria .

What disturbs you more Southall, Mothers position ( whatever it is) In Belgium and how the EU has personally benefited her - or children un able to access services in Slough? Meals on wheels pulled from the elderly and so on.

Germany has brought this on herself. They've had 70 yrs of peace and prosperity but they've thrown it away. Perhaps a span of 70 years is the best that any country can sustain!

"Mass migration from the Muslim world is fast-tracking the Islamisation of Germany, as evidenced by the proliferation of no-go zones, Sharia courts, polygamy and child marriages. Mass migration has also been responsible for a host of social disruptions, including jihadist attacks, a migrant rape epidemic, a public health crisis, rising crime and a rush by German citizens to purchase weapons for self-defence — and even to abandon Germany altogether.

"Development Minister Gerd Müller warned that the biggest refugee movements to Europe are still to come. He said that only 10% of the migrants from the chaos in Iraq and Syria have reached Europe so far: "Eight to ten million migrants are still on the way."

'What disturbs you more Southall, Mothers position ( whatever it is) In Belgium and how the EU has personally benefited her - or children un able to access services in Slough? Meals on wheels pulled from the elderly and so on.'

Yeah Slough is our prioriTTy.

Sorry folks - I ain't playing that darned awful care game anymore.

Bartender - pour me a Rye

I joined the thread at p.34 do not know what else has been said.
Poor access to services in Slough, and the old deliberately being pushed to their deaths by No Meals on Wheels concern me more than a sectarian war elsewhere in the world. Various editions of the same war have been or are ongoing in Yemen, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Because, interesting post re Europe's attitude toward immigration from majority Muslim countries.

I was surprised to see that UK was below 50% in support of this, whilst Germany was above.

What with the UK being such a rabid hotbed of racist Trump supporters who want to dispense with all foreigners, and Angela Merkel being hailed as the leading light in Telling Trump How It Is.
Perhaps Angela Merkel should look to her own back yard before she preaches to others...

Meals on wheels don't really exist anywhere anymore I don't think

I suppose at the end of the day we dont know who we are chatting to on line. Your comments are baffling me mother!

There has been an influx of EE immigrants legally to Slough, yes, but it is the illegal immigrants that caused the pressure on the hospital. Fact - my relative was working there on the board when it was moved to Frimley Trust

"In 2007, Heatherwood Hospital in Ascot had to close for two months so that midwives from there could be moved to Slough, where they were needed to deliver an extra 150 babies to foreign-born mothers over a short period. This had knock-on effects for British mothers at local hospitals"

"She says that nurses had told her that ‘the service they are giving to women and babies is deteriorating, and that safety is too often being compromised’."

I know the women whose lives and babies lives were compromised and I know some of the MW struggling in that period, It was chaos.

WT - Merkel was just playing by the rules that had been specifically put forward. May didnt care anyway, she wanted some bargaining chips

My point exactly. The EU is like a huge big tanker that can't stop or change course before it's too late, whatever the risks - exactly why I don't want to be in it.

An interim, perhaps not-totally-binding, agreement in principle could have been reached if there was a will on both sides. There wasn't on the EU/Merkel side.

Re the bargaining chips - well, the government is not prepared to put the needs of EU nationals in the UK above those of UK nationals in rEU. I don't really think that is unreasonable.

So it is disingenuous to state that the problems were caused by legal immigration from Eastern Europe. They will not have helped, but leaving the EU will not solve the problems there.

I would argue that having c£8.5 billion a year extra to spend may help to solve the problem a wee bit.

That's app £161 million per week (£23 million per day)

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/