If leaving the EU is a complete and utter disaster, who will you blame?

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Ten years down the line, the economy is struggling because of it, troubles in NI are inflamed again, I'm scared to even think what might go wrong in Gibraltar or a split with Scotland. Anyway, if it is a huge mistake, who will be at fault?

I'd blame whoever thought it was appropriate to leave allow a decision of this magnitude to be made on the vote of 34% (not 52%) of the population. I blame Cameron and a number of other like him (including a number in the corporate world) who are so divorced from reality that they still didn't believe it would ever happen a week before the vote.

I suspect that if we make a success out of Brexit in the next few years, the posters will be saying ahhh, it is the wrong type of Brexit, or that we would have been better off not brexiting (with zero evidence to back it up).

Personally, if we make a success out of it, I'll be fucking delighted to recant and admit I was wrong. And gladly heap praise upon all who contributed their hard work in keeping up the positive thoughts. Because, y'know, I have to live here too, and even in self-interest if nothing else, a successful, happy, civilised and prosperous country is infinitely preferable to the alternative.

Shall we agree some specific criteria for success and failure? Like, x amount of growth good/x amount of job losses bad, x amount (say £350 million a week) of extra money for the NHS good/x decrease in tax revenue bad, x imports of chlorine chicken good/x decrease in workers rights bad, that sort of thing? I think that would be a useful thing for the thread in general. Then we can periodically revisit and tot up the scores.

We can leave out little things like increases in racist abuse or families uprooted, because threads passim have already established that these are (a) entirely the fault of Remainers (b) deserved by the recipients due to not being prescient and (c) entirely fabricated.

It's all very well saying this thread is stupid; I agree it is pointless but it is a good way to let off steam.

What is incredibly frustrating are comments saying it will be a 'roaring success' when there is absolutely no evidence that that will be the case.

The number of genuine concerns being raised about the process are increasing daily Airbus/ flight industry/ banks/ Nissan.

These things won't just go away by shutting your eyes and hoping.

There needs to be viable solutions to even make Brexit achievable let alone a success, as yet there's not even a whiff of that.

"This is such a ridiculous thread"

And yet here you are.

Blame? No one. I see it as something that had to happen. we are moving that way. things have become unsettled for a long period of time. People were unhappy and unsettled. Most don't trust politicians.

now, why did they vote Trump in?
and even though he's a twonk, he will shape things, highlight things and hide things, during his term in office.

So when he's finished, it will highlight things and it will move things in a way, that will thus cause other reactions.

I see this all panning out. It kind of makes sense. believe things have been moving this way for some time now.

We have had problems for a long time : our political system, corruption, ministers and their expenses, social housing, the NHS that can't support an ageing population, schooling fit to burst, resentment over immigration.

None of the core problems have been tackled. You get unrest and resentment.

And then Brexit and Trump happens. Trump, awful as he is, had to happen. After obamas 'bland' term. He's part of this plan of exposing what a big mess it all is.
After Trumps term is over, what will the USA residents choose next? We'll see.......

What will happen to us? After boring/middle of the road May has finished with us? I don't know....

May...midle of the road! Wow!
She is so far to the right she should grow a moustache!

Going back to the original Q, all the usual suspects and adding DM's friends to the end of the list.
They all voted leave very flippantly, the comments since are hair raising
' I wouldn't have voted that way if i'd realised it would make it harder for my son to find a job' (he works in financial services in the city, duh)
'I wasn't sure so I just picked at random in the booth'
Scuse me but that's my life you're *ing with!
They all live the good life, thanks in great part to final salary pensions and getting the two generations of free university. And they all voted leave, totally *ing up the job sector that keeps a roof over my head. Pension? I'd be happy to know where the next mortgage payment is coming from for now.
Feel better for writing that down 😊

I don't blame the 'average' leaver, no. Most of my family had no idea of the consequences and some think we left the end of June :)

I blame the more ardent leaver types like the ones you get on mumsnet , still spouting nonsense and platitudes. 'The quicker the better' 'Get over it' 'Fuck off somewhere else if you don't like it' 'we want our independence' . Blah blah blah.

I think it's acceptable to have a place, as bearbehind said, to vent and blame and moan, or get angry. After all the eurosceptics have been doing it for years. It's quite obvious from the title of the thread what the content is going to be...so you know, if you don't like it, move along.

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I think that if its a roaring sucess (such a difficult thing to quantify) you will still get some remainers complaining

If (when ) Brexit goes tits up some leavers will be sat there saying "oh this is exactly what we wanted to happen" or worse "its the remainers fault it didnt work"

But people are stupid...at times

For me it's already a success, open conversations about sovereignty, national industries, immigration. A clear message that unaccountable, bureaucratic wastefulness is actually unacceptable. The slow descent into an EU Superstate has been halted for the UK whether we stay in or out or find a halfway house our position is fundamentally changed since 23rd June. So for me it's already a roaring sucess we as a country will not be sleepwalked by the faux left.

'Already a roaring success'

Mmm hmm. You keep repeating that to yourself.

Thanks for the chuckle.

I'll blame the media and those voters stupid enough to swallow the crap printed in said media. Much like Trumps rise to power, a result of US media not doing enough to shoot him down and a population stupid enough to think he'll do a good job.

I also blame first past the post, for enabling governments who represent only a small part of the electorate, leading to cynicism and disenfranchisement, and for failing to provide a democratic vent for newer parties, so that their views are represented and tested in a proper democratic forum.

And I blame Eton for giving us a PM with such an elevated sense of his own self worth that he was 100% convinced of his own powers of persuasion, even so far as to risk pushing the country over the edge of a cliff, and such a low sense of ethical responsibilty that he did all this for party political reasons - to appease the Vulcan wing of the Tory party.

To the person upthread who blamed J Corbyn because he wouldn't share a platform with the tories. The Labour party cannot win on this one.

They are all but extinct in Scotland now for being on the same side as the tories in the indyref. There are many, many voters out there who will punish anyone who agrees with tories on anything. Then what happens is the anti tory vote is further split into factions and the tories win government forever more.

All you convinced remainers, have you been following what's been happening at BT in Italy in recent years?
That sort of corruption is endemic in the EU.
I just don't understand why you think we can't run things better independently.

I wouldn't blame anyone. Least of all myself for voting Leave.

A clear message that unaccountable, bureaucratic wastefulness is actually unacceptable.

This is hilarious. The amount of money that's going to be spent on Brexit makes all other bureaucratic wastefulness pale into insignificance.

yes, a friend's friend is in the newly created brexit dept. Its diabolical apparently. Masses of duplication, infighting and the dept heads loathe each other and wont co-operate.

All you convinced remainers, have you been following what's been happening at BT in Italy in recent years?

That sort of corruption is endemic in the EU.

Well Italy is in the EU and corruption is known to be a problem in Italy. I assume you mean corruption within the EU organisation itself though? Do you have any evidence for that? As I understand it the EU performs about the same as most UK Government departments and local councils when it comes to the proportion of money that gets lost to fraud or wrongful spending.

There is the apparent problem of UKIP continually defrauding the EU of course but I presumably you weren't referring to that.

But it's our wastefulness!

*presume

But it's our wastefulness!

True blue British wastefulness at its best!