If leaving the EU is a complete and utter disaster, who will you blame?

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Ten years down the line, the economy is struggling because of it, troubles in NI are inflamed again, I'm scared to even think what might go wrong in Gibraltar or a split with Scotland. Anyway, if it is a huge mistake, who will be at fault?

Cameron
Anyone who protest voted Leave thinking they were just giving a metaphorical 'two fingers up' to the current government without realising that they'd be giving them more power.
May for choosing to interpret the result as 'the will of the people - and they clearly want the toughest version going.'
People who didn't know what the EU was.
Anyone who says 'we voted Leave so let's just get out now.' They seem to think it's a question of just saying 'right, we're off' rather than a lengthy complicated disentangling of laws and trade deals, all of which have to be rewritten and negotiated.
People who voted on the grounds that there are more Polish people than there used to be and some definitely did give that as a reason -I'm related to them.

I would blame Cameron for the ridiculous idea in the first place. I would also blame anyone who ran a campaign based on lies. The whole thing is a farce tbh.

I blame the facist Daily Fail
My nob of an MP
David Cameron
Theresa May and her 3 stooges
The Daily Fail reading thickos in my family that voted Leave "because we wanted to take back control", "wasn't sure which way to vote so voted Leave"
The 3 arseholes currently residing in Trump's backside, Farage, Banks and Morgan.

All you convinced remainers, have you been following what's been happening at BT in Italy in recent years?

Er, BHS Pension scandal, Maxwell, Sports Direct warehouses, zero hour contracts. Fault of the EU?

Cameron's staggering self serving arrogance for calling this farce in the first place and handing over this mess for the civil service to deal with.

But the Daily Mail and UKIP for sowing the seeds of the bullshit that we are now reaping.
I blame myself for not being more proactively remain and getting outside myremain area to campaign.

The leave voters. The daily mail. The tories. And whoever created the stupid NHS Bus sign.

David Cameron - for gambling the future of our country for short term gain for his career And then grinning as he 'washed his hands'.Cowardly bastard!

ALL of them, on both sides, during the Campaign, but Boris, Gove and Corbyn stand out for special notice.

And, what Figment says, just upthread.

It is a huge expensive diabolical MESS whatever 'side' you were on.

'The People' certainly wont come out of this the winners

BHS Pension scandal, Maxwell, Sports Direct warehouses, zero hour contracts. Fault of the EU? I think that zero hours and Sports Direct are enabled by cheap labour from the EU, yes. BHS and Maxwell is typical UK piracy you are right. Not saying the UK is perfect but at least we have jurisdiction over our own crimes. We have no control over the EU created economic chaos of Southern Europe.

Cameron for calling it.

Boris and Gove for lying.

And the naive voters who bought it all.

It will be interesting to see who does actually benefit if it is a disaster . Someone always does .Who will be the undertakers in this one ?

I don't think corruption in Italy is a good enough reason to burn all our trade deals and have to suck Trump's dick for some chlorine washed chicken and complete destruction of our agriculture industry.
I think we should have worked within the EU to tackle corruption instead.

I think that zero hours and Sports Direct are enabled by cheap labour from the EU, yes

Ah, had a feeling you might use that arguement. Of course if cheap EU labour ended tomorrow we can trust the Tories with workers rights can't we?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tax-credit-cuts-will-make-people-work-as-hard-as-the-chinese-says-jeremy-hunt-a6680836.html

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html

The collective national sense of entitlement born in schoolrooms where atlas's showed the world coloured pink and teachers talked of an empire on which the sun never sets. When I came back from living overseas the thing that really struck me was how grumpy and frustrated people were. Instead of embracing opportunities people expected life and money to come to them, and the resulting grumpiness, since in the real world it does not, was inevitable. The result is a blame culture, and racism, misogyny, and embracing privilege without the sense of responsibility and empathy for others that should go with it.

Brexit, and Trump, have been one large grumpy harrumph of entitlement as exemplified by the posters upthread who talk of success without a single word devoted to how that will actually be delivered.

Meanwhile in the rest of the world there are people who live in the economies we compete with who understand that success has to be earned by hard work and planning, who just get on with it in spite of inequality and levels of unfairness and corruption that no one in the EU or western world has experienced even a fraction of.

I am convinced that Brexit will not be a success because we are not building our sources of competitive advantage in the global economy, but rather in the shape of our financial services, science and tech, significantly damaging them. It just does not seem to penetrate the leaver consciousness that we have to earn a living and that we are competing for that living with other economies that are hungrier and more focused on success. India won't be beating a path to our door to buy things from us because we share common legal and cultural history, they will be exploiting every opportunity that Brexit gives them to expand their trade and influence, whilst understanding the benefits of their geography and positioning alongside the growing economies of Asia. Articles in the Indian Press do not glorify post Brexit Britain, they glorify the opportunities it gives to for the continuing rise of Asia. That is why May came back from her visit subdued by the reality of their demands. I will be happy to change my mind on that if just one leaver would tell how exactly post Brexit Britain is going to compete, and compensate for the economic damage it has done itself by turning its back on its neighbours, without resorting to gross entitled generalities about having faith in our people and this great trading nation heading to a glorious future......

I am not condoning inequality and the lack of opportunity that affects large parts of the UK, it is just that grumpily self harming by sticking two fingers up to it via a tick on the ballot paper, incited by self seeking politicians and media barons was not the answer......

Cakingbad are you honestly trying to suggest that the employee's of a private company can use the excuse for their 'interesting' accounting , that as it occurred in Italy and Italy is part of the EU , it isn't actually their fault at all ?
Shall we look at another country not in the EU which has been lauded as a great place to make trade deals with , like for instance India . So if corruption occurs in India it is OK because it isn't EU corruption and therefore not bad ?

whatwouldrondo - great post

Cakingbad are you honestly trying to suggest that the employee's of a private company can use the excuse for their 'interesting' accounting , that as it occurred in Italy and Italy is part of the EU , it isn't actually their fault at all ? No. I am mentioning it because there is a lot of corruption in Italy and other Southern European countries - and the EU has made things worse by nobbling their economies with the Eurozone. We cannot control this corruption and we become a part of it if we stay in the EU.

Shall we look at another country not in the EU which has been lauded as a great place to make trade deals with , like for instance India . So if corruption occurs in India it is OK because it isn't EU corruption and therefore not bad ? No. It is corruption and it is bad.
We already trade with India and we will continue to do so. We will also continue to trade with Italy and all the other countries of the EU. However, our taxes and governance will not be mingled with theirs.

No. I am mentioning it because there is a lot of corruption in Italy and other Southern European countries - and the EU has made things worse by nobbling their economies with the Eurozone. We cannot control this corruption and we become a part of it if we stay in the EU.

So three points:

there is a lot of corruption in Italy and other Southern European countries - that's true but there's less than there used to be.

the EU has made things worse by nobbling their economies with the Eurozone. - this is an assertion with no evidence whatsoever.

We cannot control this corruption and we become a part of it if we stay in the EU. - We can control it in the UK, we have things called 'laws' - nothing to do with the EU whatsoever. And your previous (incorrect) assertion was that Italy's problem is caused by them being in the Eurozone - we're not in the Eurozone so how do we 'become a part of' all this corruption just by being in the EU?

Nobody will be at fault. We got given a chance to have a vote, either vote for what we know (even if at times it's not great) or take a rather unknown chance that could go either way. Good or bad it cannot be blamed on anybody because we all knew it was an unknown, but we were brave enough as a country to give something different a try instead of just stagnate because we were afraid to take chances.

Sir David Attenborough.
The boat, not the man. if they had only named it Boaty Mcboatface as per the will of the people, maybe The People would have got the whole voting for something ridiculous out of their systems.

Also, David Cameron for so arrogantly calling the referendum (putting party before country) after years of austerity which helped cultivate the dissatisfaction that many cited as their reason for voting leave.

All the MPs who supported "remain", but had spent years short-sightedly scapegoating and moaning about the EU and forriners to cynically divert blame from themselves. Maybe if they had spent more time encouraging the public to participate in EU elections, and done something to improve public understanding of the EU, it wouldn't be perceived as such an oppressive, removed organisation.

Tabloid press who wilfully spread misinformation and misunderstanding about the EU for so many years, and who ramped it up so fervidly in the run up to the election.

Twats who can't be bothered to fact check anything and get their news from facebook memes (not all leave voters, but they do exist, I know some.)

All those in the official leave campaign (especially Gove and Johnson)
All those involved in Vote Leave - Nigel Farage, but especially
Arron Fucking Banks who is a nasty, devious piece of work.

Teresa May for steaming ahead with the hardest possible Brexit and all those in her party that are doing similar. Also for eliminating every spark of optimism I have tried to muster (and yes leavers, I have tried!) that Brexit will be handled in a competent, ordered, rational way.

Senior politicians who seem intent on fucking up the process by making as many diplomatic gaffes as possible (Boris Johnson again). Who the fuck goes into complex, important negotiations by repeatedly insulting their counterparts first?

Idiots who shout down dissenting voices for not being positive enough - actually, the best hope we have for this not being a complete shitstorm is constant scrutiny and pushing back against the most damaging ideas. If the country shuts up and lets May pander only to the far right fringes of her party, then all hope is lost.

Sorry, the first sentence was a joke, obviously but then I got all carried away and it turned into a rant. Deeply cathartic though!

Teresa May for steaming ahead with the hardest possible Brexit

Honestly, I don't think she has much choice. We can't vote leave and then cherry-pick which bits we want to keep hold of while having absolutely no input in the future of Europe. I voted remain but I think we either stay completely in or get out.

Even if our MPs vote against the plan for article 50, I think we'll be in a difficult position within Europe now and most of the countries and big businesses just want us out to minimise the duration of economic instability. The only thing that could possibly soften this is if the hard right make considerable gains in Germany, France, Italy and Holland in their upcoming elections.

"Sir David Attenborough.
The boat, not the man. if they had only named it Boaty Mcboatface as per the will of the people, maybe The People would have got the whole voting for something ridiculous out of their systems."

squishysquirmy I think I love you! you have made me laugh out loud about Brexit, which I thought was impossible!

The collective national sense of entitlement born in schoolrooms where atlas's showed the world coloured pink and teachers talked of an empire on which the sun never sets. When I came back from living overseas the thing that really struck me was how grumpy and frustrated people were. Instead of embracing opportunities

^^ THIS. X100.
Whenever I visit abroad for work, I observe this stark difference. Majority of the rest of the world would kill for the opportunities that we have had in this country. But now we have effectively voted to bring down whatever lead we have. And the world doesn't wait for a grumpy whinging nation who isn't ready to work hard without complaining right left and centre.
DH has this same experience and thinks we will need to work hard to stop it coming into our DCs if we stay in UK.

"Sir David Attenborough.
The boat, not the man. if they had only named it Boaty Mcboatface as per the will of the people, maybe The People would have got the whole voting for something ridiculous out of their systems.

David Cameron