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Westministenders. Boris, May and Judgement Day

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RedToothBrush · 20/01/2017 13:49

Well its finally here. The day America changes forever. Good luck planet earth.

Our day of reckoning is beckoning too.

Tuesday is Supreme Court Judgement Day.

At 9.30 Lord Nueberger and the other ten justices will convene and he will read out their judgement.

Contrary to some suggestions this does not mean the decision is necessarily unanimous. It is normal for the Supreme Court to do this.

Nueberger will read any disagreements out as part of the judgment.
Their ruling will be far reaching in its importance however it goes.

A victory for the government will mean a50 can be triggered as and when Theresa May likes. That could be Tuesday afternoon in theory.

If it’s a victory for the claimants then things get much more complicated. It depends on how far the justices go.

It could rule that parliament need to vote on a50.

It could rule that the Great Repeal Act must be passed before a50 can be invoked.

It could rule that the Scottish and NI Assemblies must agree to a50 being invoked.

It could rule that the Good Friday Agreement must be resolved before a50 can be invoked.

It could rule that issues over acquired rights must be resolved before invoking a50.

It could draw other conclusions that we have not thought of.

A strong victory for the claimants could seriously hamper May’s plans for Brexit. Which is exactly why she has laid out her vision and has prepared the battle lines ready for her next round of blame laying.

None of this will be because the government has been short sighted.

If there is a strong victory, remember that May could have avoided the situation by accepting the High Court’s ruling in December that she needed Parliament’s consent to trigger a50. Anything more that makes triggering a50 more difficult is her sole responsibility and she had the power to avoid. Much of the right wing press will tell you differently.

We've heard so much about Hard Brexit and Soft Brexit. We should also talk of Democratic and Undemocratic Brexit. How Brexit is managed and how we conduct ourselves is arguably as important to the future as economics. It is right to oppose Undemocratic Brexit. It is important to make that distinction and all the principles that fall under that concept. What opposition there is need to get their shit together on this principle. Using patriotism to stifle this wholly wrong and unhealthy. Saying Brexit must happen no matter what, regardless of how bad it is and regardless of the cost is wrong.

Make the case for democracy. Keep talking about it. Talk about where it is failing and what we must do to strengthen it, not undermine it.

Here lies Labour's policy on Brexit. "We support Democratic Brexit which is the will of the people. This is how we define this. This is what is needed economic and socially." You can find the necessary slogans from this and start defining it outward from that. So far they have failed to capture this sentiment concisely into a soundbite that people can start to develop and push a left wing liberal agenda on their own terms from. Their PR is shocking and they are incoherent. May owned Corbyn at PMQ earlier this week on these grounds. This is not because they have been misrepresented by the press or been the victim of biased media. Its because they have been shit and have failed to set their own agenda and instead are dancing to everyone else's.

Here’s hoping that democracy will win through the challenges of the next few years. Democracy is about elections and referendums, but it is also so much more. It is about on going debate and the freedom of this debate, freedom of the press, a range of political parties and points of view, the independent judiciary, the right to oppose the state, freedom to exercise your legal rights, freedom of speech, an understanding of equality and an understanding and above all else - respect for of all of the above. It does not bode well that much of the right wing press and right wing politicians are telling us differently.

So much hope about our futures now rests with Angela Merkel one way or another.

Meanwhile Corbyn could face a major rebellion over a50 if he pursues a three line whip rather than a free vote. 60 - 80 Labour MPs are threatening not to tow the party line with shadow cabinet resignations potentially also on the cards.

Brace yourselves the roller coaster is just about to hit a one big drop.

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woman12345 · 22/01/2017 11:01
Grin
Lico · 22/01/2017 11:01

Hester-I agree.
Good idea about drones pretty😄

lurkinghusband · 22/01/2017 11:06

Was that the real inauguration or has the new series of VEEP started early?

RedToothBrush · 22/01/2017 11:09

This is a good explanation of why Trump's Press Secretary did a Comical Ali.

Its sinister.

I would not be surprised if TrumpCare was launched for only people who ledge loyalty to Trump. Great way to control people.

Anyone seen the stuff about how Theresa May knew that the only test of Trident in the last 4 years resulted in a misfire before parliament voted on renewing it? Now seems like the perfect time to publically admit we have no nuclear defence doesn't it?!

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RedToothBrush · 22/01/2017 11:20

Don't choke on your cornflakes

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RedToothBrush · 22/01/2017 11:31

Frankie Boyle ‏*@frankieboyle*
Men threatened by the mere sight of women walking are weak, inadequate, pathetic, dangerous as hell, and in Britain they kill 2 women a week

Yes THAT Frankie Boyle.

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whatwouldrondo · 22/01/2017 11:32

A placard in my vicinity read "Men of quality don't fear equality" Something that was shouted at a group of young women outside Charring Cross who called some girls on their way home with placards "sluts" with an accompanying silver back fake charge Angry

woman12345 · 22/01/2017 11:33

Anyone seen the stuff about how Theresa May knew that the only test of Trident in the last 4 years resulted in a misfire before parliament voted on renewing it?
david-morrison.org.uk/nuclear-weapons/uk-nuclear-weapons-system-not-independent.htm
Oh, now I get it.

whatwouldrondo · 22/01/2017 11:33

Young men!

lurkinghusband · 22/01/2017 11:36

Nothing here so far that isn't in the Josef Goebbels playbook. I can only presume there's a copy with pictures for Trumps staff.

As a nation we are seeing proof of the truism that not learning history dooms us to repeat it. It's like reincarnation at a country level ...

woman12345 · 22/01/2017 11:37

Noticed that there were no (?) teen boys on the march. It's a shock for them all, but we've all had a few shocks recently. They'll learn.

woman12345 · 22/01/2017 11:45

TM colludes with fascist because our nukes are broken. Thanks red.
^www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-missiles-idUSKBN1550WX^

Lico · 22/01/2017 12:00

Red: BBC and Farage stuff is brilliant😀😀😀,

woman12345 · 22/01/2017 12:22

Washington Post:
Mass media missed the marches that social media turned into a phenomenon :Mainstream news outlets gave the run-up to the women’s marches relatively scant coverage. But taken collectively, the events were perhaps the largest demonstration of social media’s power to mobilise groups : By Paul Farhi 4.700 000 women globally are latest figures.

HashiAsLarry · 22/01/2017 12:25

The BBC are only saying what we all think Grin

Peregrina · 22/01/2017 12:27

Was the Farage as the analcyst someone's little act of subversion I wonder? Quickly taken down, of course but we know how quickly inconvenient stuff on the internet gets captured and spread about.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/01/2017 12:35

Judging by the numbers and waiting times for the Washington Metro, far more people may have attended the Womens March than Trump's Inauguration.
Small hands, small inauguration Wink

1.8 million people attended Obama's 2008 inauguration - the one that Trump originally used on his 1st POTUS Twitter cover page. His inauguration had clearly far fewer.

So one of his first acts was to blatantly create fake news. It was taken down after complaints, but this was a rare example of being able to correct fake news.
We must remain vigilant, to resist dissemination of all Trump's fake news in the future.
Call him out !

Photo shows the side by side photos of the 2 inaugurations that Trump doesn't want circulated ==> pass them on !

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BigChocFrenzy · 22/01/2017 13:37

His insistence that his audience was the "biggest ever" is one example of Trump's childish ego leading him into fantasy.
Funny in a toddler, not so cute for POTUS
It also shows again his obsessive hatred of Obama and determination to outdo him

There is very hard evidence that the crowds were about ⅓ those of Obama's:

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/22/trump-inauguration-crowd-sean-spicers-claims-versus-the-evidence

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/20/us/politics/trump-inauguration-crowd.html?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur&_r=0

The Washington Metro system Tweeted that

  • 193,000 trips had been taken by 11am on Trump’s inauguration day, compared with
  • 513,000 during the same period in 2009 for Obama  Metro*@wmata* Metro Ridership: As of 11am, 193k trips taken so far today. (11am 1/20/13 = 317k, 11am 1/20/09 = 513k, 11am 1/20/05 = 197k) #wmata 8:34 am - 20 Jan 2017

A PBS timelapse video in which the National Mall was never full at any stage on Friday:

Kaija · 22/01/2017 13:47

I wish that was all it was, rather than a full-on attack on the media, and an attempt to subvert of the notion that facts even exist in any meaningful sense.

MitzyLeFrouf · 22/01/2017 14:12

I know Trump's campaign flourished on lies and emotion but it will be interesting to see if the easy lies serve him as well now that he's actually in office. I think he may find that lies that can be glossed over when given to fans at a rally in Kentucky do not have the same effect when belligerently barked by the White House press secretary and broadcast around the world in seconds. Especially when said lies can easily be exposed with evidence. As depressing as Sean Spicer's press conference was, on a positive note at least people will expect blatant lies from him from now on and everything he says will be put under even greater scrutiny.

iwanttoridemybicycle · 22/01/2017 14:20

It's not a great start for the orange one is it. And things will only get worse. It wouldn't surprise me if he is assassinated. He is a liability to the USA. How anyone around him with a shred of decency can support him and spread his lies is beyond me. I would rather be jobless and poor than humiliated and a laughing stock by association.

Peregrina · 22/01/2017 14:41

Plenty of politicians lie when they are in Office. Theresa May has already told a blatant porky that 65 million people are behind her, when they are not.

twofingerstoGideon · 22/01/2017 14:48

[[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/38710652
Labour peer Lord Peter Hain says he cannot "in good conscience" vote to trigger Article 50 as it will damage Welsh jobs]]

Good.

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