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Westministers: Boris and May give us the Brexit Leeming Plan.

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RedToothBrush · 17/01/2017 15:17

Theresa May has made a speech.

It’s a wish list for hard core Brexiteers. It’s a large corporate executive’s wet dream for exploitation.

Even requests for a white paper as recommended by the Brexit Committee have been ignored. Thus meaning there is no chance for proper scrutiny. Plus whilst on the one hand parliament have been told they will have a vote on the end deal, this is merely slight of hand, with Davis stating that if parliament vote against this, then we will leave the EU without a deal in a chaotic exit. Thus making the vote an exercise with a gun to parliament's head.

Workers Rights and the Welfare State die with Brexit. Even the precious NHS. Especially the precious NHS once its been stole off to the highest American bidder.

May is being lobbied by her hard right and to save her next she listens only to them. She has no interest in listening to anyone else. The demographic and voting patterns favour her to head this direction. There is nothing to be gained for her personally by doing anything else.

She is already laughing her head off in glee at the collapse of the NI assembly. It plays right to her agenda.

Under the wheels of the bus go the JAMs, under go the disenfranchised who rarely vote but came out in force for the referendum, under go single mothers, under go the disabled, under go those with mental health concerns who struggle with already bureaucratic systems set up to ‘catch them out’, under go the EU immigrants especially those who have families here and may not have equal rights in future, under go British Citizens living abroad who might find themselves without healthcare or pensions, under go our Human Rights and any chance of challenging the state’s authority and interference in our every day lives, under go small business who will drown in red tape, under go Scotland and NI.

Yet this is ‘for the children’ or ‘the grandchildren’. Its spineless and cynical and offers nothing for those currently able to vote but under the age of 40. Won't you think of the children? Its fine if you are already retired and have a nice little pension isn't it?

The National Interest? This is a foreign concept. Probably an EU one.

The Baby Boomers are net beneficiaries of the welfare state. The young are unlikely to have a welfare state in a few years and are already net contributors. They have now been robbed of the choice over their future and in patronising tones effectively told they are irrelevant.

And of course Uncle Donald is a fan. You can almost see his vampire fangs reading to get his teeth into the UK and suck the life blood out of it.

It is a horror show.

Its all about selling Theresa May to the Express and the Mail and they love it. Her speech is to set the scene of how committed she is and to lay the blame at anyone who challenges her. It attacks the EU and paints them as the aggressor who are there to prevent poor little Britain from getting what it wants. If Brexit goes wrong, it was all an anti-British plot. Not a collective self inflicted brain haemorrhage. She's gone full on Farage and out Farages Farage.

This all comes perhaps a week before the Supreme Court Ruling.

Funny timing eh? No not really.

It’s a pre-emptive strike.

What on earth will they say? Will this merely allow May to dismantle our current legal system by gathering support for a General Election Manifesto that outlines its demise? Thus extending the mandate for Brexit even further. Probably.

I fear that the courts may only serve to strengthen May in the long run due to the lack of opposition and a Labour party that is imploding, with dozens of its MPs being rumoured to be looking for employment elsewhere. I fear that without a media able to effectively hold May to account in the face of her media baron supporters.

Our only hope really lies within the Conservative party itself and whether May is able to keep a lid on the various on going power struggles. The only trouble is that one of those challengers is a certain Brutus in the form of Mr Gove. I struggle to work out who would be worse; Gove or May. And of course this only highlights the issue that who else is there with in the Conservatives who isn’t a reptile? Even Arron Banks commentated that during the referendum he found Labour MPs nice people and the Conservatives unpleasant almost to a man. High praise indeed.

Meanwhile in America, NATO is obsolete and so Europe will have to consider an EU Army and Russia is firmly getting its claws in. And yeah, just Donald Trump. That Project Fear thing was just fake scaremongering wasn't it? Right? Right?

sigh

What on earth can possible stop this insanity? Not necessarily stop Brexit, but at least stop the PURE INSANITY.

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HashiAsLarry · 19/01/2017 17:49

I don't have O levels (GCSE for me) nor did I study Latin. All I can hear is Harry Enfield saying 'I'm considerably more common than yow' Grin

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 17:53

Of course a hard border between NI and the ROI will kill the GFA stone dead,
Which wrecks an international treaty (as I have already said). Would the Tories throw the Loyalists under the brexit bus? Not at present - they need their votes in Parliament to shore up a slim majority. With a bigger majority. Yes.

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2017 17:53

Nick Cohen ‏****@NickCohen4

  1. You had better get used to Mail headlines in this vein. “If Remoaners don't stop their wild hyperbole they will end up damaging Britain”.
  2. My old editor, Stephen Glover opines that responsibility for the fate of the UK does not rest with those in charge of the UK.
  3. No, no, no. It is the nay-saying remainers who are “weakening the country”
  4. Not Theresa May. She a nobody. But those wielders of immense power, those masters of the universe,*@Robert* Harris and - er - Lilly Allen
  5. One of conservatism's few appealing characteristics was its insistence on personal responsibility: you break it, you own it.
  6. No more In their hearts the leavers fear they have betrayed the British. They are scrambling to avoid responsibility for the consequences
  7. National decline will be the “remoaners” fault. It will be the fault of Nazi foreigners administering "punishment beatings".
  8. It will be everybody’s and anybody’s fault. Except theirs. They’re only running the country, after all.

Tim Sewell ‏**@SewellTim**

@NickCohen4 hang on. I thought the country was run by a metropolitan liberal elite.

Nick Cohen ‏****@NickCohen4

@SewellTim Damn. missed that

Ed Eldridge ‏*@GlosterEd*

@NickCohen4 Despite the best efforts of people like you, there will be no national decline

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Hehe. Poor Lily. I shall now be blaming her for everything she is responsible for as it is obviously all her fault. Waiting for hours in A&E? Lily Allen's fault. Can't get a school place of your choosing? Lily Allen. Library closing? Lily Allen. Tax Avoiding? Lily Allen.

Join me in my mission to blame Lily Allen for everything. Just because it makes as much sense as some of the stuff coming out of MPs mouths. So lets just hijack it.

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R I Moore ‏*@RIMooreHistory*

It seems that May and Corbyn are engaged in a fierce personal struggle to see who can force their MPs to accept the more abject humiliation.

Martin Jeffreys ‏*@MEMJeffreys*

@Lawandpolicy Isn't there a John Mortimer anecdote that he preferred murder cases to divorce cases, as murderers were more reasonable?

Ahir Shah ‏*@AhirShah*

A potted history of London mayors:
KEN: "Hitler!"
BORIS: "Hitler!"
SADIQ: "I have had a productive day at work"

Matt Haig ‏*@matthaig1*

Kanye not invited to play the inauguration because he isn't 'traditionally American' but they are having Michael Flatley riverdance. Okay.

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Suppermummy02 · 19/01/2017 17:55

I am not trying to waste any ones time, I am trying to understand why the few hard core remainers are so hysterical. I see no reasons are going to convince them everything will be fine so I wont bother trying to give anymore.

As for detaining illegal migrants or migrants that have come here without the means to support themselves and then go on to commit crimes/break rules. They should be detained and deported, there is nothing wrong, illegal or undemocratic about that.

MitzyLeFrouf · 19/01/2017 17:56

'I am trying to understand why the few hard core remainers are so hysterical.'

It's not hysteria. It's called r-e-a-l-i-s-m.

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 17:58

I think (and have thought for a while) that the issues with Northern Ireland are the single most likely spanner in the works.
From the Digital Economy bill.
No more playing houses for the celts, they might get cross:
We draw the attention of the House to Clause 6, which permits primary legislation passed by the devolved legislatures, as well as secondary devolved legislation, to be amended by statutory instrument at the behest of a UK Government minister without the consent or involvement of the relevant devolved legislatures or governments. We would welcome an explanation from the Government as to why the Bill contains no procedural safeguards requiring the consent of, or at the very least consultation with, the relevant devolved legislature or government when the UK Government seeks to amend devolved legislation.

Mistigri · 19/01/2017 17:59

So Hannan, Farage and Banks et al are a bunch of lying cunts:

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/open-britain-video-single-market-nigel-farage-anna-soubry_uk_582ce0a0e4b09025ba310fce

This makes me so furious.

MitzyLeFrouf · 19/01/2017 17:59

I see no reasons are going to convince them everything will be fine

Oh ‘everything will be fine’ will it? Well gee, why didn’t you just say that in the first place, instead of all the other nonsense you spouted?

HashiAsLarry · 19/01/2017 17:59

I see no reasons are going to convince them everything will be fine

I've seen you give no reasons. Just hyperbole. Which doesn't put food on my table.

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2017 18:00

For those of you who really know Politics, what do you think the chances are that TM will pull back from the cliff edge?

Close to Zero.

She'd need to be no confidenced.

This would require a SC ruling very favourable to Remainers first too.

And a major Labour rebellion.

And a shift in public opinion (which is why the right wing media is trying to shield this with what stories there are and why May is giving money to Conservative areas ahead of Labour ones).

And probably some other stuff too.

But no May won't change her mind and pull back from the cliff. May needs to be changed.

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Fawful · 19/01/2017 18:05

Personally I think that poster is a goady time waster out to derail discussions until we just don't bother anymore

Agree - it's only interesting to engage with such posters in that it shows us the circular arguments that they use & gives us ideas on how we can try to use this technique in debates on other platforms (if we could be bothered).

Am astounded by the number of EU citizens detained under immigration rules too. It could be me next (if I park my bike in the wrong place!).

GhostofFrankGrimes · 19/01/2017 18:10

So the House of Commons will largely become an echo chamber with Labour shouting "you're doing Brexit wrong!" at the Tories.

Depressing. Remainers (in England at least) have nobody to speak for them and the division and resentment will go on for years.

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 18:10

Which posts do you regard as 'hysterical', Supermummy. Care to list them?

I would have fewer problems with Leave if I could get answers out of them.
We are going to compromise our scientific research base, because it is heavily dependent on EU citizens living and working here. They are already beginning to pack up and go. This sector is a huge earner for us. How do we replace the lost income? Is that hysteria, or is it realism?
The banking sector has given notice that parts are preparing to move out. We get a big tax take from them? What do we put in its place?

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 18:23

Meanwhile our dear Leaderine, had a facebook page, asking people what they thought of her 12 points. I managed to get a couple of comments in before the page was mysteriously taken down. Why was that, I wonder?

Never mind, Mrs May, you will soon learn to be careful what you post on the internet. If you say something contentious, don't think you can just whip the page away, because it doesn't work like that. Someone, somewhere will have saved the page and will happily start sharing it.

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2017 18:29

www.itv.com/news/2017-01-19/theresa-may-government-looking-at-preferential-immigration-rules-for-europeans/
Theresa May: Government 'looking at preferential immigration rules for Europeans'

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Lico · 19/01/2017 18:33

Woman12345: Saw a programme recently about the Crossrail skulls. the programme suggested that the men had been decapitated by Roman Briton Celts!! Apparently the Celts tradition was to chop their enemies'head as trophy ...
Mind it happened to Charles I too.
Let's hope that May follows a similar fate ...figuratively of course..

cakeycakeface · 19/01/2017 18:34

"Speaking to ITV News during her short stay in Davos for the World Economic Forum, the prime minister did not deny that EU citizens may get preferential freedom of movement over non-EU citizens."

LOL!

Maybe supermummy is right. Nothing will change. EU people get to keep coming as per normal but we can tell the idiots Leavers that we now have control.

SemiPermanent · 19/01/2017 18:36

So Hannan, Farage and Banks et al are a bunch of lying cunts:* This makes me so furious.*

Mistigri, Maybe you would be less furious about that video from Open Britain if you watched the various clips without the selective editing?

Andrew Neill ripped it apart pretty well, whilst James McGrory did a good impression of a fish, floundering on dry land:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UHzmCHcM7cAA*

cakeycakeface · 19/01/2017 18:39

Fabulous.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38650596

cakeycakeface · 19/01/2017 18:40

Mimicking Breitbart. Perhaps they are worried that the Daily Fail isn't vitriolic enough.

TheSmurfsAreHere · 19/01/2017 18:44

Red I don't actually believe she will give preferential treatments to Europeans.
Unless it plays in her favour by allowing her to get more of what she wants.

Or I know that's me dreaming because it will allow her to still let eu citizens coming in but say that she doesn't because that's what the new immigrations rules are. (In effect, dong what she was supposed to do in the first place to keep the peace, telling everyone in the uk that she doesn't but doing it anyway
British politicians are quite good at that.
Plus it would work well in the fact that Britain doesn't like big major shift, such as a revolution or Brexit. It much prefer slow change instead.

TheSmurfsAreHere · 19/01/2017 18:48

I think our politicians need to star twisting a bit more vigorously.
And learn the art of marketing.

Because the ones that seem to be getting at the top of the game now are those people.
(we'll forget that being able to twit doesn't make you anti establishment. And that the likes of Banks ARE the establishment)

Bobochic · 19/01/2017 18:53

Even if EU citizens received preferential immigration treatment and status in the aftermath of Brexit, who would trust the British to maintain that preferential status long-term? The whole point of the EU was that FOM and reciprocal rights were guaranteed for the long term so that people coul make plans.

BlueEyeshadow · 19/01/2017 18:55

Similarly, how do we replace the arts funding that sure as hell won't come from a Tory government?

How do we replace regional development funding?

Mistigri · 19/01/2017 18:59

Andrew Neill

Is a cunt too.

Selective editing or not, the Norway/ Switzerland options were widely put forward by the leave campaign, and suggestions that we would leave the single market and that EU citizens already in the UK would face immigration controls were met by howls of "project fear". There were a number of paid campaigners on here spouting the official leave campaign line that no one was talking about leaving the single market or kicking out foreigners; it was all about fish and sovereignty, you see. (These shill posts closely followed the official leave campaign line and are a useful aide memoire for those with selective memory loss.)

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